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I do, and I watch it mainly for Pat Robinson's political commentaries. I don't always agree. They present other information and I often wonder if they check their sources before they say something? I hope they do. Lately they have said, on at least 2 separate occasions, that the divorce rate in America is no where near 50%. That's the number we have been hearing since I can't remember when. If this indeed be a lie of the devil it has done much harm. Young folks get married and when things get tough, and they always will, the couple gets divorced. They know it's wrong and violates their marriage vows, but they think, what the heck, 50% of couples break up. A woman has written at least 1 book on this. Her research found that maybe 30% of all marriages end in divorce. However, when both people are church going Christians, the divorce rate drops to 10 - 15%, and maybe even only 5%, depending on how the statistical analysis is done. That's good news. All relationships hit rocky roads, even friendships. If married couples knew most of their married friends stick it out, until the road becomes smooth again, that knowledge will help the couple stay together.

I find it very easy to believe Satan has tricked the minds of atheists to believe the divorce rate is 50%. Therefore, I find it equally easy to believe that couples who are equally yoked together can stay together all their lives.

What do you all think?

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The problem is that marriage, which is a God-given covenant between a man and a woman, is no longer seen as that anymore. People see it as a temporary contract that can be broken rather than the lifelong contract that it is meant to be. In that case, I often wonder why they bother getting married at all. It seems to me that they prefer adultery with a signed piece of paper as opposed to adultery without the piece of paper.

When you forget what marriage is all about and start to see it as being a contract of your own design rather than God's design, is it no wonder then that marriage is being adapted further, such as same-sex marriages?

At least Christians still seem to realise what marriage is actually meant to be all about (most of them anyway), but anybody else who is not a Christian has hijacked the concept and recreated it.

They've hijacked the word 'marriage' and turned it into something else. Atheists see it as a fluid thing that can be altered to suit whatever they think it means, Muslims think that it's some sort of polygamy, homosexuals think that it applies to them, Hollywood celebrities think that it's some sort of trophy that you collect and then discard when a better trophy comes along and I dread to think what some other people think it means.

We didn't invent marriage, God did. It can't be hijacked in such ways.

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I think anyone who determines the status(if it real or not) or length of their relationship based on statistics and what otthers do ...should probably not be in that relationship. When you base your married life on what other married people do your just looking for failure....just Because my neighbor is fighting with their spouse doesn't mean I have to fight with mine. Or if they have date night every week, doesnt mean i have to go out with my spouse every week... if you think for even one second the grass is greener on the neighbors side of the fence. Rebember there's a reason there is a fence... :) God has placed man and woman together and it is him who decides the length of the covenant... until death do you part...meaning you are to love.deal with .tough out ,workthrough it all with your spouse. Love never gives up ,and it never surrenders. If Christ is at the center of your life he will be in the center of your marriage. And with his help you can make it through all the difficulty, and all the deceptions the world tries to put in your way.

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I think they have a fine school, Regent University. Robertson and I agree on most topics, but I dislike the 700 Club. I do not like their political commentary. I usually say, "Why don't they stop preaching and run for office?" I have to hand it to Robertson as he DID run for office.

 

According to the American CDC, an unbiased source, roughly half of divorces end in divorce. This holds true for the past decade. Nobody is saying that 50 percent of all marriages total will end in divorce. The older generations aren't so quick to divorce as they are today (I assume -- we don't have data to break it down further).

 

So is Robertson correct? It depends on how he phrased the "question" I guess.

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KC02,  It wasn't research done by Robertson. It was presented by a woman (a guest on the show) and she also wrote at least 1 book on it. I don't know what the CDC is, but why should we believe them? Suppose they aren't as unbiased as you think. I learned a long time ago how a study or an experiment can be carefully made to almost always show what the researchers want it to. I was never married, but I've been watching friends get divorced all my life. so when the statistic came along, saying half of all marriages end in divorce, I believed it. But just maybe it was never true. Atheists and non Christians work over time to try and make us believe that our beliefs are wrong.

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I admit that I rarely believe any statistic the government gives us. You know the old saying about the three kinds of lies: Lies, darn lies and statistics. Good for you questioning conventional wisdom.

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I read an article a couple of weeks ago in the local news paper where we were fishing that broke down the divorce rates.

 

 

As I remember it is true that a bit over 60% of all marriages end in divorce in the US.    that is a long term average, but the problem with the numbers inside that is that only about 25% of first time marriages end in divorce, and Christians first time marriages only about 8% end in divorce.

 

Within those numbers is that 25% that gets divorced the first time get remarried and divorces again, and sometimes again and again and again.

 

I had an aunt that was married 5 times before she decided to just do away with the marriage thing....   People like her really skew the numbers.   Also consider that the 8% of the Christians is also among that 25% first timers.

 

I had three sets of friends in College,,  all 4 couples of us got married in 1970 and we are all still married......   two kids for each family and as of last week all doing well.   

 

I had another aunt that lived to be 90 something and she had three husbands.....   but they all died from old age.....   no divorces.

 

 

so there are a lot of things that can hide within numbers and it just depends on how one wants to present them to prove whatever point one is trying to make.

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 Yes exactly. And I admit that as I've gotten older numbers confuse me. This is odd because when I was young Math was 1 of my best subjects.

So statistics confuse me. A few pastors also spoke about the on the show. The pastors pointed out that when they have to council a couple who they are going to marry, it's very useful to them if they can tell the couple very few 1st time Christian marriages end in divorce. The pastors also said it's sad how many of those couples think they only have a 50-50 chance of succeeding all their lives. So this is important information for both couples and pastors.

So I'm glad I made this post. I hope everyone reads it.
 

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I watched the 700 Club once after the Creation vs Evolution debate.  Pat Robertson stated it was foolish for Christians not to believe in Evolution with all the evidence out there.  I guess he is what is called a Theistic Evolutionist.  He believes God's hand is in the evolutionary process.  Go figure...

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I haven't watched the 700 club since the 70s, but we have been told that statistic was true for Calif. back in the early 60s, and then it is supposed to have spread to the rest of the USA.

Now more people are just living together and split up even faster. They don't count longstanding monogamous relationships at all. But they do say that a couple has a better chance of staying married once they reach 35 years of marriage.. Money issues is the leading cause of divorse.

Most disturbing to me were the statistics for children raised without fathers. They composed

63% of the teen suicides

71% of the pregnant teenagers---they didn't say how many were by mom's boyfriends

90% of the homeless and runaways

70% of the institutionalized juveniles

85% of those with behavioral disorders

75% of those in cemical abuse centers

71% of the high school dorp outs

85% of the youth in prison.

They didn't mention how many of these were raised by siblings in latch key situations, or who were raised in day care. But it is heartbreaking.

I have to admire the waitress who said that she had worked 2 jobs and her daughter's a pre-med student getting excellent grades. She managed to give them a lot of attention and keep a spotless house as well. I couldn't have done that. She somehow beat the odds. And we know that God can make the biggest difference.

Moms and dads who may be in this situation, pray for your kids daily! Try to see as much of them as you can. Enjoy them. When you can't see them, text them and call them often. Forgive the spouse, no matter what they are doing or have done, and no matter how much your heart is breaking. You have to do it for your own sakes, for the kids' sakes, and for your relationship with God. The kids have to know they are not abandoned and that they did not cause the divorse. They need your time and your love, but not expensive gifts. They need to have 3 meals a day and basic clothing and shelter, and lots of listening and caring. And they need to do chores, to assume responsibility, and to be brought up to know the Lord.

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      And Laban answered It is not done thus in our country, to give the younger before the elder. Genesis 29:26 Brenton)
      As that particular pastor exclaimed: "this had to cut Jacob like a knife, as this is precisely what Jacob and his mother had done to Esau.” And, Uncle Laban may well have been told of it. If not, it is amazing how the Holy Spirit puts words in your mouth.
      According to the pastor, the premise behind all this is that Jacob, a broken man, (I am not so sure he could understand that for a long time,) pursues Rachel, the vision of perfection, in hopes that she would heal him and make him a better man. I am not sure I see all that, but it makes sense, as most men do just that. While the hope of finding something that calms the inward brokenness he feels may be going on in the back of his mind, it is not directly noted in scripture; many things aren't, and yet the more in-depth answers and subjects are there if we pursue them.
      One of the things that I see in scripture is that God is in control, regardless of how lousy the circumstances seem to be.
      The pastor said, “that God gives us examples of people who are messed up so that we can know what not to do.” If that theory is correct, then why would God tell Israel, explicitly, not to learn from the surrounding nations, for the surrounding nations were doing everything wrong, worshiping idols, and sacrificing their children to gods. While I might argue that learning from my neighbor how to work with Iron could be a necessity that would allow a civilization to create water pipes. However, there is often a hazard in close associations, especially with those not so grounded, as it can cause us to be drawn away by the deviant and those used by Satan. Along with that, I have had several acquaintances that claimed to be Christians. One, it turns out, was in a men's home (the men's home is somewhat irrelevant except that you can make an obvious assumption - and that is that the person from the home has had some mighty struggles in the past.) While the leadership of the men's home had mandated church services and Bible studies they had to attend, they could not seem to get the world out of this brother. He, in a short period, took a job on the night crew, and I rarely saw him after that. His reattachment to the world seemed to grow and he left the group home he was a part of.
      You shall make no covenant with them or with their gods. They shall not dwell in your land, lest they make you sin against Me; for if you serve their gods, it will surely be a snare to you. (Exodus 23:32-33 AMP)
      And you shall consume all the peoples whom the Lord your God will give over to you; your eye shall not pity them, neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you. (Deuteronomy 7:16 AMP)
      You didn't merely live by their ways and act according to their disgusting practices, but in a very short time, you acted more corruptly than they in all your ways. (Ezekiel 16:47 CJB)
      Is it the person becoming the snare? Perhaps, but what we do know is that Satan will deceive you through any means possible. In some cases, it might be an innocent but attractive looking woman.
      Yes, Jacob's life is one huge psychodrama. He is a liar, a cheat, and a general a mess; he does not even seem to slow down all those years later when he meets Esau again. But there is a method to God's madness. God seems to use broken people; he even seeks them out. He seems to find pleasure in lifting them up and healing them. On the plus side, our savior is a descendant of the line from Jacob.
      My point: That no matter how messed up the narrative, or, our story is, we can and should glean as much as we can from each one, for it is God's story. Sure, you think it is all yours, but it is never anything less than God's plan, you merely get to be a part of it.
      "For I know what plans I have in mind for you,' says Adonai, plans for well-being, not for bad things; so that you can have hope and a future. " (Jeremiah 29:11 CJB)
    • By clouds5
      Hello friends,
      I decided to at least write in some forum and ask for help/guidance. Here's my situation, I'm not looking for pity or being shamed, I just want to share my story and maybe some of you guys has an idea what I could do/pray for, or something like that:
      I'm a man, 33 years old. Married since 5 years. About 2-3 years ago I was working a good job and doing education on the side so I could continue working in the field. Short version: I failed my studies and had to change my field of work. I took it pretty hard because the circumstances were messy and I was doing very well in my job - only the grades were an issue. Anyway I was a mess for a while but I knew God had a path for me.
      During that time my wife, who was dealing with depression earlier in her life, started developing an eating disorder. When we realized it was time to do something about it was already pretty severe. I prayed for her and I tried anything to help her anyway I could, encourage her, help her make plans on how to eat enough, went to therapy with her etc. But nothing really helped. She played her therapists, she lied to me and to herself. And after ~2years of ED (eating disorder) in our lives, it started to take a heavy toll on our relationship (I'm not blaming her btw, it's the sickness that's causing this).
      I tried to lecture her, she started to tell me things that were not true etc. She temporarily lost her fertility (body shuts down reproductive systems when there is not enough food) and with it, the rest of what was left in terms of sexual desire (we don't have kids!). And me, as a guy who enjoys the more chubby kind of females had a real hard time finding her anorexic body attractive.
      About 3 months ago she finally decided it's time to go to a rehab clinic to really concentrate on getting better. The fact that she wanted to do that of her own volition, was like a miracle. All was looking well for a while. But she's on break now from the clinic and it seems to me like nothing really changed. She didn't really gain weight and she still has her eating habits.
      Anyway. I mentioned I have a new job now and I'm teaching on the side. My life apart from my wife is amazing right now! BUT. I met this woman in a seminar, also married - getting neglected and hit by her husband (human beings are messed up I tell you...), and we immediately clicked and felt connected. We had amazing talks and it was a "healing experience" for both of us, I'm 100% certain that God made us run into each other. But now I'm afraid we're getting almost too close... yay... :/
      I believe what we've been doing is called an "emotional affair" (having an affair without the physical component). Well, we just met this evening before I started writing this and after talking for a while we started comforting each other and finally went to the couch and just held each other in embrace for over an hour. Nothing sexual, no kissing or anything - just intense hugging and a little crying. I have to be honest, it was the most wonderful, blissful experience I had in almost all my life. After a while I started shaking all over my body because of all the happy hormones and that feeling of being loved and sheltered...
      Now I have no idea what to do. I don't want to leave my wife. I don't want to have an affair but I was craving being close to someone so much... And I really can't tell my wife about it - that could make her kill herself (literally).
       
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      Since I cannot find the reply button I'll edit my post. First of all thank you for your answers.
      If it were that simple. Cut ties, it's a sin, don't do it. I'm too weak for that right now. I know it will lead to pain, probably. But I already am in pain most of the time. Basically, I'm completely separated from my wife emotionally and physically and I fought for like two years to prevent that. My wife told me a few days ago that it's pretty clear to her that it's my fault that she started developing an eating disorder. I wasn't stable enough for her etc... Just to clarify what's the state of our relationship is she is completely absorbed by her ED-thoughts.
      I want to work on my marriage and improve it (it's what I'm trying to do since all this started, we already went to therpy and everything) but as long as we don't have a common ground to build from I don't see the way.
      Btw: I cannot completely cut ties with this woman, we are gonna meet semi-regularly because of our jobs for at least another 1-2 years.
       
      [e2] @Abby-Joy "All that to say ...I needed my husband's love, understanding, prayer, support. He wasn't there for me like he should have been."
      I'm trying to do all that and been trying for the past years. It's just that I'm a human being too, you know. I also have my weaknesses and a difficult past and my strength has its limits. That's no apology for anything - i know the scripture well enough. I have problems with addiction myself - as almost any human has... right? I only recently stopped smoking for example and I could only do that because of the support and faith that other woman had for me. But thank you for encouraging me to go another round.
      This is all very very hard and it's times like these when I understand why Paul said it would be best if we would live alone and concentrate full on the Lord.
       
      [e3] I'll think about someone I could talk to at my church... I came here because I have a hard time talking to people about these topics. It's well known in our church that she has an ED. And a lot of people come to me and ask me how we are etc. especially now that she's at a clinic. But I feel most of them come because that's what you do, not because they actually want me to open up. I usually tell what they want to hear, you know. And since I didn't have a single male father figure in my life I have a hard time talking to males anyway... But that's another topic
      -->Thank you for offer Abby-Joy talking to her. Who knows, maybe I'll pm you about that when the time is right. I don't think that I have to be afraid that she would commit adultery, she's pretty much asexual since all this started. At least that's how she behaves. I'm not sure if I still know her well enough though. She has changed soo much since we first met each other. I think the environment of our marriage (the first years) allowed her to start dealing with certain things from her past (much like you described) and then everything turned sideways.
      Thank you all so much for your replies, really helps me a lot even just writing here.
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