The word 'olam'

[dscapp]

Since 'olam' doesn't mean forever and is a Hebrew word, and 'everlasting' and 'eternal' are English translations,

then wouldn't hell be temporary since English translations can be wrong.

Also, why is it ok to use the word 'olam' when describing hell,

but it's ok to use the words 'everlasting' and 'eternal' when describing eternal life.

[gdemoss]

Just looking at thw word itself I yend to see it as a word that means something more like that which has been that still is. Olam I mean.

Eternal simply means that which does not change. I am a new creature ccreated in Christ Jesus and am incorruptable in thw inner man. I have eternal life in me. The outward man perishes but the inward man is renewed day by day in the likeness and image of he who created me.

Hell is to be without a covering before God. God is a consuming fire. My life is hidden in Christ. One can experiwnce Hell right here on earth.

[Guest shiloh357]

Since 'olam' doesn't mean forever and is a Hebrew word, and 'everlasting' and 'eternal' are English translations,

then wouldn't hell be temporary since English translations can be wrong.

Also, why is it ok to use the word 'olam' when describing hell,

but it's ok to use the words 'everlasting' and 'eternal' when describing eternal life.

Well, you are not taking into account the fact that olam means different things depending on the context.   Hebrew words play double, triple, quadruple duty, etc.   One word in Hebrew can have as many as 18 different usages depending on the context in which it appears.

 

Olam means "forever" in terms of this present age.  In some contexts, olam simply means until the end of someone's life.    But in other contexts, olam actually does mean forever in the sense of perpetually, without end for all eternity such as how it is used in Is. 60:19-20.

 

The Bible speaks of Hell in terms of eternal, perpetual, never ending.  There is no temporal view of Hell anywhere in the Bible.   People try to muddy the waters about how words are translated (most those people do not have advanced degrees in biblical translating, and do not know Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic). 

[dscapp]

But in other contexts, olam actually does mean forever in the sense of perpetually, without end for all eternity such as how it is used in Is. 60:19-20.

 

Isa 60:19-20 is not a reference about hell. Please provide scripture that relates olam to eternal in reference to hell. - ds

 

(most those people do not have advanced degrees in biblical translating, and do not know Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic). 

 

Do  you obtain a degree at the present time. - ds

[Butch5]

Since 'olam' doesn't mean forever and is a Hebrew word, and 'everlasting' and 'eternal' are English translations,

then wouldn't hell be temporary since English translations can be wrong.

Also, why is it ok to use the word 'olam' when describing hell,

but it's ok to use the words 'everlasting' and 'eternal' when describing eternal life.

Hi dscapp,

 

We just had a long discussion on this. I would say that "olam" doesn't mean forever or eternal. In the Greek OT the word "Olam" is translated using the Greek word "aionion" which means an age. An age is an undefined length of time. An age could be 100 years, 1000 years, or it may not end at all. However, the duration is not in the definition which is why I say that "olam" does not mean forever.

 

To answer your question about hell, you are correct, hell (Gehenna) is temporary. Jeremiah prophesied that Gehenna would one day be restored and made holy to the Lord.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

But in other contexts, olam actually does mean forever in the sense of perpetually, without end for all eternity such as how it is used in Is. 60:19-20.

 

Isa 60:19-20 is not a reference about hell. Please provide scripture that relates olam to eternal in reference to hell. - ds

 

(most those people do not have advanced degrees in biblical translating, and do not know Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic). 

 

Do  you obtain a degree at the present time. - ds

 

I do not have an advanced degree in translating the biblical languages, but I rely on the knowledge and wisdom  of those who do possess that knowledge. 

[dscapp]

We just had a long discussion on this. I would say that "olam" doesn't mean forever or eternal. In the Greek OT the word "Olam" is translated using the Greek word "aionion" which means an age. An age is an undefined length of time. An age could be 100 years, 1000 years, or it may not end at all. However, the duration is not in the definition which is why I say that "olam" does not mean forever.

 

To answer your question about hell, you are correct, hell (Gehenna) is temporary. Jeremiah prophesied that Gehenna would one day be restored and made holy to the Lord.

 

Hey Butch. But since Hebrew is the original language of the Bible, then wouldn't the Greek translation also be at fault. - ds

 

I do not have an advanced degree in translating the biblical languages, but I rely on the knowledge and wisdom  of those who do possess that knowledge. 

 

But these people with wisdom and knowledge that translate the Bible, are flawed men. Similar to adding punctuation in Luke 23:43 for example.

[Butch5]

 

We just had a long discussion on this. I would say that "olam" doesn't mean forever or eternal. In the Greek OT the word "Olam" is translated using the Greek word "aionion" which means an age. An age is an undefined length of time. An age could be 100 years, 1000 years, or it may not end at all. However, the duration is not in the definition which is why I say that "olam" does not mean forever.

 

To answer your question about hell, you are correct, hell (Gehenna) is temporary. Jeremiah prophesied that Gehenna would one day be restored and made holy to the Lord.

 

Hey Butch. But since Hebrew is the original language of the Bible, then wouldn't the Greek translation also be at fault. - ds

 

I do not have an advanced degree in translating the biblical languages, but I rely on the knowledge and wisdom  of those who do possess that knowledge. 

 

But these people with wisdom and knowledge that translate the Bible, are flawed men. Similar to adding punctuation in Luke 23:43 for example.

 

The Greek OT was translated from a much older Hebrew text than the one in you Bible. The Greek OT was translated about 250-300 BC.by 72 Jewish scholars. The Greek word "aion" is similar but not exactly the same a "olam." "Olam" carries the idea of time unseen, When the Scriptures says something is "Olam" it means to time unseen. If you look this from the Jewish perspective as traveling a road it make sense. As one travels a road they can only see to the next hill or to the next bend in the road. If you're interested I can give you a few links that explain this from a Jewish perspective.

[dscapp]

The Greek OT was translated from a much older Hebrew text than the one in you Bible. The Greek OT was translated about 250-300 BC.by 72 Jewish scholars. The Greek word "aion" is similar but not exactly the same a "olam." "Olam" carries the idea of time unseen, When the Scriptures says something is "Olam" it means to time unseen. If you look this from the Jewish perspective as traveling a road it make sense. As one travels a road they can only see to the next hill or to the next bend in the road. If you're interested I can give you a few links that explain this from a Jewish perspective.

 

But the fact is, is that it was translated in the first place. Translations in general cloud scripture, especially when finding answers in difficult passages, like hell.

 

The Greek word "aion" is similar but not exactly the same a "olam."

 

This is exactly what I mean.

It's not exactly the same because flawed men took the original text and translated scripture into their own language.

For example, certain words in the Hebrew dictionary do not exist in the Greek dictionaries..so they choose whatever word is similar.

[Guest shiloh357]

I do not have an advanced degree in translating the biblical languages, but I rely on the knowledge and wisdom  of those who do possess that knowledge. 

 

But these people with wisdom and knowledge that translate the Bible, are flawed men. Similar to adding punctuation in Luke 23:43 for example.

 

You're as flawed as they are.   Why should I take your word on how the biblical text should be translated over there's?   What makes your views superior to those who have studied how to translate the text?