The word 'olam'

[OneLight]

I do believe the sun and the moon will be there. There will still be the festivals and the like in the kingdom and I suspect into eternity and the sun and moon are set for times and seasons.

 

But I can't find any scriptures that state what you believe, that there will be a sun and moon on the new earth.

All that you will find is that the New Jerusalem will not need the sun or the moon, for God will be the light, and there will be no night.

Revelation 21:22-25

But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).

Revelation 22:1-5

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

There is no mention that there will be no sun or moon, just that it is not needed in the New Jerusalem.

[dscapp]

 

 

I do believe the sun and the moon will be there. There will still be the festivals and the like in the kingdom and I suspect into eternity and the sun and moon are set for times and seasons.

 

But I can't find any scriptures that state what you believe, that there will be a sun and moon on the new earth.

 

All that you will find is that the New Jerusalem will not need the sun or the moon, for God will be the light, and there will be no night.

Revelation 21:22-25

But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).

Revelation 22:1-5

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

There is no mention that there will be no sun or moon, just that it is not needed in the New Jerusalem.

 

 

So it's fair to say that Isa 66:22-24 is speaking about the millennium and not about the afterlife.

As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24“And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

[OneLight]

I do believe the sun and the moon will be there. There will still be the festivals and the like in the kingdom and I suspect into eternity and the sun and moon are set for times and seasons.

 

But I can't find any scriptures that state what you believe, that there will be a sun and moon on the new earth.

All that you will find is that the New Jerusalem will not need the sun or the moon, for God will be the light, and there will be no night.

Revelation 21:22-25

But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).

Revelation 22:1-5

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

There is no mention that there will be no sun or moon, just that it is not needed in the New Jerusalem.

 

So it's fair to say that Isa 66:22-24 is speaking about the millennium and not about the afterlife.

As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24“And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

Why try to compare the two. It has nothing to do if there is going to be a moon and sun.

[dscapp]

Why try to compare the two. It has nothing to do if there is going to be a moon and sun.

 

Because some think that since Isa 66:22-24 is not speaking of the afterlife and the fire burned out 2,000 years ago... that it means hell isn't eternal. In reality Isa 66:22-24 is using idiomatic language. ("And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.") It's describing all the dead bodies in the millennium and before. It's not describing the dead bodies after the millennium at the great white throne. It's clear that Isa 66:22-24 is only using idiomatic language in the 1,000 year millennium and is not describing the afterlife.

 

Mark 9:43-48 is however describing the afterlife as eternal..If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

[OneLight]

Why try to compare the two. It has nothing to do if there is going to be a moon and sun.

 

Because some think that since Isa 66:22-24 is not speaking of the afterlife and the fire burned out 2,000 years ago... that it means hell isn't eternal. In reality Isa 66:22-24 is using idiomatic language. ("And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.") It's describing all the dead bodies in the millennium and before. It's not describing the dead bodies after the millennium at the great white throne. It's clear that Isa 66:22-24 is only using idiomatic language in the 1,000 year millennium and is not describing the afterlife.

 

Mark 9:43-48 is however describing the afterlife as eternal..If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

Yet, I said nothing about what you are trying to turn this discussion into. I don't want to get dragged into a debate about the subject. If I did, I would of posted about it. When addressing someone's reply, please stick to the subject of the conversation.

[dscapp]

 

 

Why try to compare the two. It has nothing to do if there is going to be a moon and sun.

 

Because some think that since Isa 66:22-24 is not speaking of the afterlife and the fire burned out 2,000 years ago... that it means hell isn't eternal. In reality Isa 66:22-24 is using idiomatic language. ("And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.") It's describing all the dead bodies in the millennium and before. It's not describing the dead bodies after the millennium at the great white throne. It's clear that Isa 66:22-24 is only using idiomatic language in the 1,000 year millennium and is not describing the afterlife.

 

Mark 9:43-48 is however describing the afterlife as eternal..If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

 

Yet, I said nothing about what you are trying to turn this discussion into. I don't want to get dragged into a debate about the subject. If I did, I would of posted about it. When addressing someone's reply, please stick to the subject of the conversation.

 

 

If you read the OP it is about eternal hell. What did I say that is off topic.

[OneLight]

If you read the OP it is about eternal hell. What did I say that is off topic.

If you look back at where the conversation was going, you and Butch5 were discussing the moon and the sun, starting at post 167. From there , it remained on the moon and sun. You will also notice that I was replying only to that topic. After my reply, your response had absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed, but jumped back to what Isa was talking about, which had nothing to do with the sun and moon.

Here it is.

 

 

 

I do believe the sun and the moon will be there. There will still be the festivals and the like in the kingdom and I suspect into eternity and the sun and moon are set for times and seasons.

But I can't find any scriptures that state what you believe, that there will be a sun and moon on the new earth.

 

All that you will find is that the New Jerusalem will not need the sun or the moon, for God will be the light, and there will be no night.

Revelation 21:22-25

 

But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).

Revelation 22:1-5

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

There is no mention that there will be no sun or moon, just that it is not needed in the New Jerusalem.

 

[dscapp]

If you look back at where the conversation was going, you and Butch5 were discussing the moon and the sun, starting at post 167. From there , it remained on the moon and sun. You will also notice that I was replying only to that topic. After my reply, your response had absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed, but jumped back to what Isa was talking about, which had nothing to do with the sun and moon.

Here it is.

 

Me and Butch understand what we're discussing, the depth of what we're discussing.

 

You had jumped into our conversation spontaneously. Sometimes debates go back 1 or 2 pages in threads.

[OneLight]

 

If you look back at where the conversation was going, you and Butch5 were discussing the moon and the sun, starting at post 167. From there , it remained on the moon and sun. You will also notice that I was replying only to that topic. After my reply, your response had absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed, but jumped back to what Isa was talking about, which had nothing to do with the sun and moon.

Here it is.

 

Me and Butch understand what we're discussing, the depth of what we're discussing.

 

You had jumped into our conversation spontaneously. Sometimes debates go back 1 or 2 pages in threads.

 

 

You have been here long enough to know that the threads are for discussions and the SoapBox is for debated.  Anyone can "jump in" at any time of a discussion and offer their view.  You want a debate, find someone to debate and approach the Servants through PM to have one set up.  Other than that, the forums are open.

[dscapp]

 

 

If you look back at where the conversation was going, you and Butch5 were discussing the moon and the sun, starting at post 167. From there , it remained on the moon and sun. You will also notice that I was replying only to that topic. After my reply, your response had absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed, but jumped back to what Isa was talking about, which had nothing to do with the sun and moon.

Here it is.

 

Me and Butch understand what we're discussing, the depth of what we're discussing.

 

You had jumped into our conversation spontaneously. Sometimes debates go back 1 or 2 pages in threads.

 

 

You have been here long enough to know that the threads are for discussions and the SoapBox is for debated.  Anyone can "jump in" at any time of a discussion and offer their view.  You want a debate, find someone to debate and approach the Servants through PM to have one set up.  Other than that, the forums are open.

 

 

I'm not having this conversation with you anymore.