Matt 24:31 - The first, second and third heaven

[Floatingaxe]

 

"Spirit ghosts"?? No---when a believer dies, his spirit/soul goes directly to the Lord---immediately. You may have a hard time with it, but God's word teaches it.

 

But their body is still in the grave, without the body they are spirit ghosts walking around. And that's not what God's word teaches.

 

 

No, they are not ghosts, but spirits, and yes, walking around. Do you have a problem with spirit beings in heaven? That's precisely what God's word teaches!

[dscapp]

No, they are not ghosts, but spirits, and yes, walking around. Do you have a problem with spirit beings in heaven? That's precisely what God's word teaches!

 

So they're walking around without a body, but they're not spirit ghosts? Hmm. How are they walking around without legs.

Edited July 28, 2014 by dscapp

[OneLight]

I am a bit confused as in the direction you are going with your replies. What does all this got to do with soul sleep?

 

Because dead souls are sleeping in their graves right now until these events come to pass..(6th seal the second coming of Christ/first resurrection/rapture). When people say that soul sleep is false haven't interpreted scripture properly. Getting the timeline down really is important.

 

People who believe in soul sleep don't interpret correctly. The only things waiting in graves are dead bones and dust. These physical, earthy remains rise up out of the graves and change!  They change to incorruptible flesh bodies which we will be reunited with and live forever serving the God we love.

I agree FA. The renewed body comes when the rapture occurs.

[OneLight]

No, they are not ghosts, but spirits, and yes, walking around. Do you have a problem with spirit beings in heaven? That's precisely what God's word teaches!

 

So they're walking around without a body, but they're not spirit ghosts? Hmm. How are they walking around without legs.

You are thinking about heaven in earthly terms. After Christ was resurrected and received His new body, He was able to suddenly appear to people, eat. walk, etc., which goes far beyond the physics of this world.

[Floatingaxe]

 

No, they are not ghosts, but spirits, and yes, walking around. Do you have a problem with spirit beings in heaven? That's precisely what God's word teaches!

 

So they're walking around without a body, but they're not spirit ghosts? Hmm. How are they walking around without legs.

 

 

Our spirit bodies are the same as our physical bodies, in that they look like us. Open up.

[dscapp]

You are thinking about heaven in earthly terms. After Christ was resurrected and received His new body, He was able to suddenly appear to people, eat. walk, etc., which goes far beyond the physics of this world.

 

But that's Jesus. Jesus is God. Jesus was not a regular person. He had God qualities that we do not possess. The reason he came back to us and eat, walk etc..is to show us that he conquered the grave, simply put. Also note that when Jesus was resurrected his body disappeared from his tomb. The bodies of regular people are still in their grave however.

 

Our spirit bodies are the same as our physical bodies, in that they look like us. Open up.

 

Say again?

[Floatingaxe]

 

You are thinking about heaven in earthly terms. After Christ was resurrected and received His new body, He was able to suddenly appear to people, eat. walk, etc., which goes far beyond the physics of this world.

 

But that's Jesus. Jesus is God. Jesus was not a regular person. He had God qualities that we do not possess. The reason he came back to us and eat, walk etc..is to show us that he conquered the grave, simply put. Also note that when Jesus was resurrected his body disappeared from his tomb. The bodies of regular people are still in their grave however.

 

Our spirit bodies are the same as our physical bodies, in that they look like us. Open up.

 

Say again?

 

 

 

The bit about the resurrected Jesus is what we can expect when we are given our resurrected bodies. They will be like His. Until that glorious day, those who die in the Lord will immediately be ushered into the Kingdom in their spirit bodies, with their souls intact---just as Paul says:

 

2 Corinthians 5:8 (NLT)

Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

 

We are tripartite creations, and the only part that stays behind in death is the physical part---the body. Dust to dust!

[dscapp]

Until that glorious day, those who die in the Lord will immediately be ushered into the Kingdom in their spirit bodies, with their souls intact---just as Paul says:

 

2 Corinthians 5:8 (NLT)

Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

 

No that's not what Paul is saying. Paul is speaking about the condition of the heart and how it yearns for the Lord (we would rather). Also note that he never gives a timeline.

 

Jesus is God. Jesus was not a regular person. He had God qualities that we do not possess. The reason he came back to us and eat, walk etc..is to show us that he conquered the grave, simply put. Also note that when Jesus was resurrected his body disappeared from his tomb. The bodies of regular people are still in their grave however.

Edited July 29, 2014 by dscapp

[dscapp]

When Jesus was hanging on the cross 2 other men was crucified with him. One man mocked Jesus, the other asked Jesus to remember Him... and Jesus said umto him, verily I say unto thee, TODAY thou shalt be with me in paridise.

to read more about this check out luke 23.

 

Yeah but there were no commas in the original text,

punctuation didn't exist until many years after Christ.

I believe Jesus was simply using words of comfort to the thief since they were both dying.

All the thief wanted from Jesus was for Jesus to remember him,

being in the kingdom today was not on his mind, emphasizing (today) was simply comforting words.

It's basically translator bias.

 

Luke 23:43/Comma after today - Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise."

 

Luke 23:43/Original Text - Jesus answered him Truly I tell you today you will be with me in paradise.

[Floatingaxe]

 

Until that glorious day, those who die in the Lord will immediately be ushered into the Kingdom in their spirit bodies, with their souls intact---just as Paul says:

 

2 Corinthians 5:8 (NLT)

Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

 

No that's not what Paul is saying. Paul is speaking about the condition of the heart and how it yearns for the Lord (we would rather). Also note that he never gives a timeline.

 

Jesus is God. Jesus was not a regular person. He had God qualities that we do not possess. The reason he came back to us and eat, walk etc..is to show us that he conquered the grave, simply put. Also note that when Jesus was resurrected his body disappeared from his tomb. The bodies of regular people are still in their grave however.

 

 

No---Paul was indeed teaching us that should we who know Christ die, we will be immediately in the presence of the Lord.

 

When Jesus resurrected, of course He showed Himself! what happened to Him is a promise of what will happen to us one day when He comes for us! We who will have already died, will rise again from the grave and our spirits will put on incorruptible bodies, just like His!

 

1 John 3:2

Dear friends, now we are God’s children. What we will be isn’t completely clear yet. We do know that when Christ appears we will be like him because we will see him as he is.