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7 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Your problem is, Because you start with an error, you have got to keep teaching errors, otherwise the Biblical truth will prove you wrong.  You even quoted scriptures that prove you wrong.  If Jesus rose "Mid afternoon", How come He was ALREADY risen Early in the morning??.

Because it was "Sabbath's mid-afternoon" 'Sabbatohn tehi epiphohskousehi' that "there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending cast the stone away from the grave" and Jesus rose Matthew 28:1; so that '~He was ALREADY risen Early in the morning~' "of the First Day of the week"  'prohï Prohtehi sabbatou' "when He appeared to Mary Magdalene". Mark 16:9.

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7 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Matt 27: 57--62.  Mk 15: 42.  Mk 16: 9. Lk 23: 54--56. Lk 24: 1. All prove that Jesus rose early on a Sunday.

What is this mixture of Scriptures supposed to be about?

Matt 27: 57 is about the beginning of the Sixth Day;

Matt 27: 62 is about the morning of the Sabbath the day "after the Preparation";

Mk 15: 42 is about the evening beginning after sunset after the day of Crucifixion the beginning of the Preparation the Fore-Sabbath in that year "That Day great day of sabbath of passover". John 19:31.

Mk 16: 9 is about "early on the First Day of the week He appeared to Mary as the Risen One".

Luke Lk 23: 54--56A is about "That Day the Preparation mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing".

Lk 23:56B is about "the women began to rest the Sabbath" after "That Day the Preparation" after sunset.

Lk 24: 1 is about "deepest of morning after midnight on the First Day of the week the women found not the body of Jesus".

So yes, these texts all prove or at least indicate that Jesus was risen early on that Sunday; BUT NONE '~prove that Jesus rose early on that Sunday~'. Alan Hales, what you claim for truth, is not truth.

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The ‘Worship’ and ‘Divination’
of the ‘Elements’, of the ‘No-Gods’
of Galatians 4:8-10


Wisdom 7:17, A Judaistic Eulogy of the God Wisdom 

En gar cheiri autou kai hehmeis kai hoi logoi hehmohn,
For in the hand of divinity both we and our mind are;

pasa te fronehsis kai ergateiohn epistehmeh;
all wisdom also and experience / maturity of science;

autos gar moi edohke tohn ontohn gnohsin epseudeh, eidenai:
for he gave me conclusive / correlative knowledge of the things that are, being between: 

sustasin kosmou kai energeian stoicheiohn:
the founding / sustaining of the world and the ruling / control of the principles / rulers / gods:

archehn kai telos kai mesotehta chronohn;
(the correlation between) the first, last and middle (basic components) of times (days, nights, months);

tropohn allagas kai metabolas kairohn;
(between) the alternating of the tropics and change of seasons;

eniautohn kyklous kai asterohn theseis;
(between) the circuits of years and stellar positioning;

fyseis zohohn kai thymous thehriohn;
(between) the nature of living things and the furies of the Centaurus (constellations);

pneumatohn bias kai dialogismous anthrohpon;
(between) the force of the winds (four directions) and the mentality of people;

diaforos phytohn kai dynameis rhidzohn –
the potencies of plants and the powers of roots –

hosa te esti krypta kai emphaneh egnohn.
all such things as are either secret or manifest, I know!

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7 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Because it was "Sabbath's mid-afternoon" 'Sabbatohn tehi epiphohskousehi' that "there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending cast the stone away from the grave" and Jesus rose Matthew 28:1; so that '~He was ALREADY risen Early in the morning~' "of the First Day of the week"  'prohï Prohtehi sabbatou' "when He appeared to Mary Magdalene". Mark 16:9.

Shalom, gerhard eber.

I question your version of the Greek text. It's hard enough to understand your method of transliteration, but it also appears that your version is GROSSLY different than the Greek of the typically accepted versions, such as those listed on BibleHub.com. Would you care to defend the text that you're using? For instance, how are you arriving at your conclusion that it was "Sabbath's mid-afternoon?"

Edited by Retrobyter

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6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

I question your version of the Greek text. It's hard enough to understand your method of transliteration, but it also appears that your version is GROSSLY different than the Greek of the typically accepted versions, such as those listed on BibleHub.com. Would you care to defend the text that you're using? For instance, how are you arriving at your conclusion that it was "Sabbath's mid-afternoon?"

detailed extensive research, here, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Book 2. Resurrection.pdf

In short,

'Sabbatohn' 'Day of the Sabbath' Genitive Noun...

"Sabbath" = Sabbath's-time = on the Sabbath = while Sabbath = in the Sabbath.

Classic example of both the correct and the corrupted 'version' is the Dutch Staatenbybel, relying heavily on Tyndale, at first with Matthew 28:1, "Sabbat" - just that, "Sabbath there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord descended..." The translators soon realised the impossibility of a Sunday resurrection, and even quicker 'solved' their problem with inserting brackets and an, in the Greek non-existent Preposition,  'na' - 'after' which required a conflicting Accusative case; like this, '~[Na] Sabbat...~' IRONIC proving the real meaning, while themselves, frauds!

"Sabbath('s) mid-afternoon" - "in the Sabbath('s) mid-afternoon"

'tehi' - "in the", Article Dative Feminine 'tehi epiphohskousehi'

'epiphohskousehi' - "mid-afternoon"

Syllable by syllable... 'epi' - 'phohs' - '-k-' - 'ous' - 'ehi' 

'epi' - "centre" / "mid" + "very" (emphasis) "over(head)" + "downwards" + "inclining (over to)"

'ous' - from 'eimi' - 'to be' Participle, "being"

'ehi' - Feminine Dative Suffix of the Noun 'epiphohskousehi', "in the ..."

'phohs' "...light" = "...day" = "daylight" = "daylight (sun) shining down upon..."

To this must directly be connected the Adverb 'opse' - as with Genitive, "late on", and or as with Ablative, "in the end of", therefore, "Late on the Sabbath in the Sabbath('s) mid-afternoon" / "In fullness / ripeness of the Sabbath Day being in its mid-afternoon".

 

 

 

Edited by gerhard eber

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5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

method of transliteration

Almost all Greek letters are very much the same in English in form and sound. The most important sound differences are with the long and short vowels. Just write an h after the short (English) vowel to make it long, an 'o' for the o-mikron; 'oh' for the o-mega; 'e' for e-psilon, 'eh' for ehtha, etc. For a few exception the English letters do the job.

I was much derided at first for my method, but nowadays most of the big mouths are silent. Who in any case cares what rules used to confuse everyone in the past? All sorts of impossible '~methods of transliteration~' have been improvised. My 'method', is simple; simplicity and as near as possible literalness are all I wanted and am pretty sure of have succeeded in getting.

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15 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

What is this mixture of Scriptures supposed to be about?

Matt 27: 57 is about the beginning of the Sixth Day;

Matt 27: 62 is about the morning of the Sabbath the day "after the Preparation";

Mk 15: 42 is about the evening beginning after sunset after the day of Crucifixion the beginning of the Preparation the Fore-Sabbath in that year "That Day great day of sabbath of passover". John 19:31.

Mk 16: 9 is about "early on the First Day of the week He appeared to Mary as the Risen One".

Luke Lk 23: 54--56A is about "That Day the Preparation mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing".

Lk 23:56B is about "the women began to rest the Sabbath" after "That Day the Preparation" after sunset.

Lk 24: 1 is about "deepest of morning after midnight on the First Day of the week the women found not the body of Jesus".

So yes, these texts all prove or at least indicate that Jesus was risen early on that Sunday; BUT NONE '~prove that Jesus rose early on that Sunday~'. Alan Hales, what you claim for truth, is not truth.

You contradict yourself. as you said. these texts all prove or at least indicate that Jesus was risen early on that Sunday; BUT NONE '~prove that Jesus rose early on that Sunday~'. Alan Hales, what you claim for truth, is not truth.. You believe the gospel of Saint Erroneous. Instead of the Biblical gospel. I have given you Biblical proof that Jesus rose on a Sunday.

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