WarriorforHim Posted September 17, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 27 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/13/1955 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Spiritual death is separation of the soul from God. It is so important because eternity is forever. (Ephesians 2:1-3) And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. (Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Colossians 2:13) When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions. ( Ephesians 4:18) being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted September 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 17, 2014 Are you sure you meant to post this in a prophecy forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defending the Name Posted September 18, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 167 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Spiritual death is separation of the soul from God. It is so important because eternity is forever. (Ephesians 2:1-3) And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. (Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Colossians 2:13) When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions. ( Ephesians 4:18) being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; The soul who finishes the race and keeps the faith onto death will be reunited with the risen Lord having put on their second man from heaven spirit body (white angelic robe). Edited September 18, 2014 by Defending the Name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch5 Posted September 20, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 559 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 136 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/09/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1962 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Spiritual death is separation of the soul from God. It is so important because eternity is forever. (Ephesians 2:1-3) And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. (Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Colossians 2:13) When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions. ( Ephesians 4:18) being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; I don't believe this passage is speaking of spiritual death. I don't believe there is any spiritual death as it pertains to humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2014 Yes, there is such an idea as spiritual death in God's Word. It is specifically about the "second death" of Rev.20, of being cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign. And that is prophecy. John 3 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." 5 Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." This is a very, very simple matter. Our flesh is born of water (in woman's womb; that which is born of flesh), but our spirit comes from God (Eccl.12:5-7). Our spirit must... be born again (from above) by The Holy Spirit to enter into the Kingdom of God. That is done by confessing our sins to Christ Jesus, and confessing Him as God's promised Saviour, and believing by Faith that He died on the cross and The Father raised Him from the dead, to offer us remission of our sins past. In Matt.23:27 when Jesus spoke of the unbelieving corrupt scribes and Pharisees, that they were like "whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness", that showed this idea of not being born again by The Spirit, and thus they represented the spiritually dead. In the time after Christ's future second coming, these type of souls that are spiritually dead will still exist throughout His thousand years reign with His elect. These spiritually dead (not born of The Spirit) will be subject to perishing the "lake of fire" at the end of that thousand years, and that is called the "second death", the death of one's soul and spirit, not one's flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted September 22, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,661 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 22, 2014 "Spiritual death" is the unbiblical definition of how Adam and Eve died the day they ate of the forbidden fruit and yet lived 900+ years before dying (physically). It was coined by scholars who used only a portion of the Bible plus their limited understanding to create a tradition of man. The only thing that comes close to being spiritual death in scripture is what the Bible calls the second death. But when you realize this pertains to those unbelievers who are raised up from physical death to praise the name of Jesus before being physically destroyed in hell (where their spirit will live on for all eternity), then the second death is also physical. Adam and Eve lived 900+ years according to man's timetable. According to God's timetable, they lived and died in a single day. 2 Peter 3:8 (KJV) 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The fallen angels are spirits in their final state. They were created that way. The cannot die and be raised from death in any capacity. We humans are hybrids a mixture of spirit, physical body, and a buffer between the two realities (the soul). In death our body dies, our soul ceases to exist, and our spirit lives on (for unbelievers) in Sheol or ultimately the Lake of Fire, or (for believers) with the Lord in heaven / the new Heaven-Earth once resurrected / perfected. There is no spiritual death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mevosper Posted September 24, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 317 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 133 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 24, 2014 JohnDB "Spiritual death" is the unbiblical definition of how Adam and Eve died the day they ate of the forbidden fruit and yet lived 900+ years before dying (physically). It was coined by scholars who used only a portion of the Bible plus their limited understanding to create a tradition of man. I had come to thinking that this was a sort of spiritual death. As soon as Adam and Eve disobeyed the Lord, the "robes of righteousness" were removed, and their nakedness was exposed. I don't mean this was a physical robe of white, but more of an innocense was forever lost that day. Very similar to when a child loses the child-like innocense as they get older. Do you recall what portions of the Bible the scholars used to coin this term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch5 Posted September 30, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 559 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 136 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/09/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1962 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Spiritual death is separation of the soul from God. It is so important because eternity is forever. (Ephesians 2:1-3) And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. (Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Colossians 2:13) When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions. ( Ephesians 4:18) being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; I'll have to disagree, the Bible doesn't speak of spiritual death in reference to humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persuaded Posted September 30, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 249 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'll have to disagree, the Bible doesn't speak of spiritual death in reference to humans. Paul speaking of himself: Romans 7:9 (NKJV) I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch5 Posted October 1, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 559 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 136 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/09/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1962 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'll have to disagree, the Bible doesn't speak of spiritual death in reference to humans. Paul speaking of himself: Romans 7:9 (NKJV) I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. This passage says nothing about anything spiritual. When read in context I think it's clear that Paul is using death as a metaphor for his being held accountable to the Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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