The Seven Seals

[iamlamad]

Rev.6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

 

Rev.11

¹³ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

¹⁴ The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

¹⁶ And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

¹⁷ Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

¹⁸ And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

¹⁹ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

 

Rev.16

¹⁷ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

¹⁸ And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

¹⁹ And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

²⁰ And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

²¹ And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

 

Those are more than similarities, they are the same event timing.

 

The day of Christ's wrath is on the last day of this world with His second coming, on the day of The Lord. These events of God's wrath were also given in the OT prophets about the day of The Lord events. Apostle Paul reiterated some of them with the "as a thief" timing in 1 Thess.5, as did Peter in 2 Pet.3:10 about the time of God's consuming fire burning the elements.

 

If the 6th Seal was to happen prior to the trumpets and vials, then it would mean the dragon's reign continues after Christ's coming on the day of The Lord with His final wrath of this world still pending. But per that 6th Seal, that is the time of God's wrath on the last day of this world, which is part of the day of The Lord events when Jesus returns.

Salty, you ignore the obvious to push a false theory that takes a lot of rearranging to attempt to make it seem truth. It was JOHN that numbered the seals, not the translators. Now you have to explain to us WHY John would use numbers that were not in the right order. If you say he gave the same order as seen in the vision, then you are really saying that GOD did not know the right order, or He mixed up the order just to confuse us. Does that seem like a "revealing?"

 

What exactly are the seals?

 

Revelation 5 King James Version (KJV)

5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

² And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

 

Since your theory requires considerable rearranging, as in the 6th seal not opened until the time of the end, then you have to explain how in the world the book will opened to reveal the rest of Revelation (the trumpets and vials) while the 6th  seal is skipped over and not opened.

 

These days we have earthquakes around the world on a daily basis. Do you imagine that God cannot have TWO earthquakes 7 years apart?   (One big one before the week and one big one to END the week.) Just because one reads of big earthquakes is not reason to say they are the SAME earthquakes. Next, for anyone that reads what is actually written about the 6th seal earthquake and the 7th vial earthquake (for the moment I am ignoring the one written in chapter 11) they KNOW these are not the same. In one the mountains are just moved out of their places, but in the final one the earth shakes so violently that the mountains sink down into the earth and DISAPPEAR. Therefore, serious bible students know that it is only a MYTH or false theory that they are about the same earthquake.

 

If the 6th Seal was to happen prior to the trumpets and vials, then it would mean the dragon's reign continues after Christ's coming

 

There are so many errors in this one sentence. First, the sixth seal WILL happen before the trumpets: that is the way God showed it to John and that is the way it will happen. And the TRUTH is, the dragon, Satan Himself, will MOST CERTAINLY be behind everything the Beast does during the last half of the week. And John shows us that the Dragon will be bound (Rev. 20) right after the battle of ARmageddon. However, is the dragon "reigning?" No, of course not. The kingdoms of the world will be taken from him at the MIDPOINT of the week, not the end. And it will be at the midpoint that he is CAST DOWN from his "high places" in the heavenlies. However, John shows us that he will be VERY BUSY persecuting and using the Beast to persecute the saints still on the earth.

 

For the record, people have been trying to prove that Revelation needs rearranging for many years; yet NONE have come up with any real proof of such a need. As I said before, it is VERY DIFFICULT to attempt to prove against TRUTH.

 

Finally, it is only FALSE THEORY that God's wrath is on the "last day." John shows us that the ENTIRE 70th WEEK will be God's wrath. Anyone that seriously studies the first trumpet judgments see that they fit the prophecies given in Joel 1. And Joel TELLS US they are a part of the Day of the Lord. Several commentaries show the Day of the Lord as being an extending period of time that includes the entire 70th week. I think this is exactly what John shows us. Therefore I don't believe much of Salty's theories.

 

LAMAD

[OneLight]

Rev.6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

 

Rev.11

¹³ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

¹⁴ The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

¹⁶ And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

¹⁷ Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

¹⁸ And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

¹⁹ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

 

Rev.16

¹⁷ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

¹⁸ And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

¹⁹ And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

²⁰ And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

²¹ And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

 

Those are more than similarities, they are the same event timing.

 

The day of Christ's wrath is on the last day of this world with His second coming, on the day of The Lord. These events of God's wrath were also given in the OT prophets about the day of The Lord events. Apostle Paul reiterated some of them with the "as a thief" timing in 1 Thess.5, as did Peter in 2 Pet.3:10 about the time of God's consuming fire burning the elements.

 

If the 6th Seal was to happen prior to the trumpets and vials, then it would mean the dragon's reign continues after Christ's coming on the day of The Lord with His final wrath of this world still pending. But per that 6th Seal, that is the time of God's wrath on the last day of this world, which is part of the day of The Lord events when Jesus returns.

 

Sorry, but if they were the same event, they would be recorded the same.  Much of what happens is different.  Do I really have to point out the discrepancies for you?  As one example, all have the word earthquake, but each have different levels, especially the one recorded in the 7th vial where it is stated that this earthquake will be worse then any other earthquake, while the one in the 6th seal just claims a great earthquake, and the 6th trumpet where one tenth of the city fell and killed seven thousand men.  You may be surprised that the first two are not the worst earthquake that has ever happened on this earth.  Look for yourself ... http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/most_destructive.php

 

What is going to happen when the 7th vial is poured out will be greater than any other earthquake, ever.  The all escalate in strength as His warnings/wrath pour out to mankind.

[Guest]

....the fifth seal is Christ opening it and raising his first fruits of the harvest who are the 144,000 old covenant saints who were waiting in their grave for the messiah....

 

~

 

What It Really Says

 

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

 

Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

 

Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

 

Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:3-8

 

Has Nothing To Do With The Old Patriarchs

 

Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”

 

(In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth?

 

He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.) Ephesians 4:8-10 (ESV)

 

You See

 

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

 

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

 

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

 

And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Matthew 27:50-53

[Last Daze]

 

 

The seventh trumpet / bowl is the END.

 

PROVE IT. Since you think you can rearrange John's God given chronology, then it will be up to you to prove the necessity of moving things around. As I read it, there is chapters 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, AFTER the 7th trumpet and before Jesus comes. this is the way John wrote it. Why do you feel such a great need to rearrange? What is wrong with the sequence John gave us? Is it because you just can't bare to think of the 7th seal as the MIDPOINT? Did you notice that those that flee into the wilderness at seeing the abomination, flee right after the 7th trumpet? That is proof positive for most that the 7th trumpet sounds at the midpoint.

 

In case you did not notice, some of the trumpet judgments come as partial judgments as one third: God showing those who oppose Him that He has POWER over the elements. But when he gets to the vials, It is 100% destruction. John wrote these things in sequence and numbered them for a REASON. It is clear that the vials must come AFTER the trumpets.

 

However, I know you will just keep on writing your false theories. One day when these things happen, you will see that they will happen in the exact order John wrote them.

 

LAMAD

 

Did you compare the seventh trumpet and seventh bowl?

 

Seventh trumpet:

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19

 

Seventh bowl:

And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.  Revelation 16:18,21

 

Two unrelated events?  No. The trumpets and bowls are related to each other.  Look at the symbolism used, trumpets and bowls.  An angel sounds a trumpet which begins a judgment.  At some point later that angel pours out a bowl which completes the judgment.  That's why some of the judgments start off as a third, then go to full.  Serving made an excellent point in this post: I'm still waiting to read your reply on that one.

 

In case you missed my earlier post on the trumpet / bowl connection here's the link:

 

That's why chapter 12 and following mostly give additional details about the seals and trumpets in 6-11.  The seventh trumpet is the return of Christ.  No chronology has been rearranged.

 

There is something I think you MISSED:

 

¹⁹ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

WHERE is this lightning? WHERE was this hail? Do you really think there will be great hail in the temple in heaven? Remember, this is a VISION. Without a doubt, what John saw was as PROPHECY, foretelling what was to come on the earth.

 

WHY is one trumpet a one third judgment, while the vial is total judgment? It is because the trumpets come first, and God has great mercy, even in His wrath; the trumpets are to show to those on earth who will not repent, that God has power of the oceans and fresh water and over the power of the sun. They come as warnings; God showing the earth that He is LORD OVER ALL. Sadly, few if any repent, so in the vials, God releases full judgment filled with His wrath.

 

You might as well give up! People have been trying to prove the trumpets and vials are the same judgments for years. They all  fail for they are wrong. How can anyone prove against the truth? They can only try. Do you not understand John's (and God's) chronology at all? The first six trumpets are sounded in the FIRST HALF of the 70th week, then the 7th trumpet marks the exact midpoint, and the vials come LATE in the second half of the week. There will be TIME between the trumpets and vials.

 

LAMAD

 

I'm not going to belabor the point.  I could use CAPS and tell you over and over how wrong you are but noisy gongs serve no useful purpose.  Just have your re-think triggers in place LAMAD in case it doesn't come down like you think it will.  We can compare notes in heaven and I'll buy you a Coke (or the celestial equivalent) if you're correct.  I understand your point of view and I keep it in mind.  I hope you do so likewise.  That's the benefit of discussions.

[iamlamad]

 

 

 

The seventh trumpet / bowl is the END.

 

PROVE IT. Since you think you can rearrange John's God given chronology, then it will be up to you to prove the necessity of moving things around. As I read it, there is chapters 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, AFTER the 7th trumpet and before Jesus comes. this is the way John wrote it. Why do you feel such a great need to rearrange? What is wrong with the sequence John gave us? Is it because you just can't bare to think of the 7th seal as the MIDPOINT? Did you notice that those that flee into the wilderness at seeing the abomination, flee right after the 7th trumpet? That is proof positive for most that the 7th trumpet sounds at the midpoint.

 

In case you did not notice, some of the trumpet judgments come as partial judgments as one third: God showing those who oppose Him that He has POWER over the elements. But when he gets to the vials, It is 100% destruction. John wrote these things in sequence and numbered them for a REASON. It is clear that the vials must come AFTER the trumpets.

 

However, I know you will just keep on writing your false theories. One day when these things happen, you will see that they will happen in the exact order John wrote them.

 

LAMAD

 

Did you compare the seventh trumpet and seventh bowl?

 

Seventh trumpet:

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19

 

Seventh bowl:

And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.  Revelation 16:18,21

 

Two unrelated events?  No. The trumpets and bowls are related to each other.  Look at the symbolism used, trumpets and bowls.  An angel sounds a trumpet which begins a judgment.  At some point later that angel pours out a bowl which completes the judgment.  That's why some of the judgments start off as a third, then go to full.  Serving made an excellent point in this post: I'm still waiting to read your reply on that one.

 

In case you missed my earlier post on the trumpet / bowl connection here's the link:

 

That's why chapter 12 and following mostly give additional details about the seals and trumpets in 6-11.  The seventh trumpet is the return of Christ.  No chronology has been rearranged.

 

There is something I think you MISSED:

 

¹⁹ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

WHERE is this lightning? WHERE was this hail? Do you really think there will be great hail in the temple in heaven? Remember, this is a VISION. Without a doubt, what John saw was as PROPHECY, foretelling what was to come on the earth.

 

WHY is one trumpet a one third judgment, while the vial is total judgment? It is because the trumpets come first, and God has great mercy, even in His wrath; the trumpets are to show to those on earth who will not repent, that God has power of the oceans and fresh water and over the power of the sun. They come as warnings; God showing the earth that He is LORD OVER ALL. Sadly, few if any repent, so in the vials, God releases full judgment filled with His wrath.

 

You might as well give up! People have been trying to prove the trumpets and vials are the same judgments for years. They all  fail for they are wrong. How can anyone prove against the truth? They can only try. Do you not understand John's (and God's) chronology at all? The first six trumpets are sounded in the FIRST HALF of the 70th week, then the 7th trumpet marks the exact midpoint, and the vials come LATE in the second half of the week. There will be TIME between the trumpets and vials.

 

LAMAD

 

I'm not going to belabor the point.  I could use CAPS and tell you over and over how wrong you are but noisy gongs serve no useful purpose.  Just have your re-think triggers in place LAMAD in case it doesn't come down like you think it will.  We can compare notes in heaven and I'll buy you a Coke (or the celestial equivalent) if you're correct.  I understand your point of view and I keep it in mind.  I hope you do so likewise.  That's the benefit of discussions.

 

Thanks, Last Daze. it was a pleasure discussing with you.  If the truth were known, I really don't know much. Some here have FAR more general knowledge of the bible than I do. However, what I know I know very well, and I understand. For example, It was God Himself speaking to me that told me I could find the entire 70th week clearly marked, after He told me I could find the midpoint "clearly marked." When He told he, I suddenly knew WHY I could find the entire week "clearly marked." I knew it would be the SAME MARKER. He sent me first to specifically find the exact midpoint "clearly marked," (the exact time the sacrifices would be stopped or the exact time of the abomination)  and told me how to find it. Once I found that the exact midpoint was marked by a "7" then I knew I had found the entire week "clearly marked."

 

It seems very few here believe that the 70th week begins with the 7th seal, and ends with the 7th vial, with the 7th trumpet as the midpoint. Well, at least they have been exposed to the truth.

 

I will take you up on that coke! Your theories are so far from what I teach, I doubt if we can agree on much the other teaches. Time will tell.

 

One last point: I have asked no one this question: do you really think there will be a great storm in the throne room of heaven, including great hail?

 

LAMAD

[Last Daze]

 

 

 

 

The seventh trumpet / bowl is the END.

 

PROVE IT. Since you think you can rearrange John's God given chronology, then it will be up to you to prove the necessity of moving things around. As I read it, there is chapters 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, AFTER the 7th trumpet and before Jesus comes. this is the way John wrote it. Why do you feel such a great need to rearrange? What is wrong with the sequence John gave us? Is it because you just can't bare to think of the 7th seal as the MIDPOINT? Did you notice that those that flee into the wilderness at seeing the abomination, flee right after the 7th trumpet? That is proof positive for most that the 7th trumpet sounds at the midpoint.

 

In case you did not notice, some of the trumpet judgments come as partial judgments as one third: God showing those who oppose Him that He has POWER over the elements. But when he gets to the vials, It is 100% destruction. John wrote these things in sequence and numbered them for a REASON. It is clear that the vials must come AFTER the trumpets.

 

However, I know you will just keep on writing your false theories. One day when these things happen, you will see that they will happen in the exact order John wrote them.

 

LAMAD

 

Did you compare the seventh trumpet and seventh bowl?

 

Seventh trumpet:

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19

 

Seventh bowl:

And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.  Revelation 16:18,21

 

Two unrelated events?  No. The trumpets and bowls are related to each other.  Look at the symbolism used, trumpets and bowls.  An angel sounds a trumpet which begins a judgment.  At some point later that angel pours out a bowl which completes the judgment.  That's why some of the judgments start off as a third, then go to full.  Serving made an excellent point in this post: I'm still waiting to read your reply on that one.

 

In case you missed my earlier post on the trumpet / bowl connection here's the link:

 

That's why chapter 12 and following mostly give additional details about the seals and trumpets in 6-11.  The seventh trumpet is the return of Christ.  No chronology has been rearranged.

 

There is something I think you MISSED:

 

¹⁹ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

WHERE is this lightning? WHERE was this hail? Do you really think there will be great hail in the temple in heaven? Remember, this is a VISION. Without a doubt, what John saw was as PROPHECY, foretelling what was to come on the earth.

 

WHY is one trumpet a one third judgment, while the vial is total judgment? It is because the trumpets come first, and God has great mercy, even in His wrath; the trumpets are to show to those on earth who will not repent, that God has power of the oceans and fresh water and over the power of the sun. They come as warnings; God showing the earth that He is LORD OVER ALL. Sadly, few if any repent, so in the vials, God releases full judgment filled with His wrath.

 

You might as well give up! People have been trying to prove the trumpets and vials are the same judgments for years. They all  fail for they are wrong. How can anyone prove against the truth? They can only try. Do you not understand John's (and God's) chronology at all? The first six trumpets are sounded in the FIRST HALF of the 70th week, then the 7th trumpet marks the exact midpoint, and the vials come LATE in the second half of the week. There will be TIME between the trumpets and vials.

 

LAMAD

 

I'm not going to belabor the point.  I could use CAPS and tell you over and over how wrong you are but noisy gongs serve no useful purpose.  Just have your re-think triggers in place LAMAD in case it doesn't come down like you think it will.  We can compare notes in heaven and I'll buy you a Coke (or the celestial equivalent) if you're correct.  I understand your point of view and I keep it in mind.  I hope you do so likewise.  That's the benefit of discussions.

 

Thanks, Last Daze. it was a pleasure discussing with you.  If the truth were known, I really don't know much. Some here have FAR more general knowledge of the bible than I do. However, what I know I know very well, and I understand. For example, It was God Himself speaking to me that told me I could find the entire 70th week clearly marked, after He told me I could find the midpoint "clearly marked." When He told he, I suddenly knew WHY I could find the entire week "clearly marked." I knew it would be the SAME MARKER. He sent me first to specifically find the exact midpoint "clearly marked," (the exact time the sacrifices would be stopped or the exact time of the abomination)  and told me how to find it. Once I found that the exact midpoint was marked by a "7" then I knew I had found the entire week "clearly marked."

 

It seems very few here believe that the 70th week begins with the 7th seal, and ends with the 7th vial, with the 7th trumpet as the midpoint. Well, at least they have been exposed to the truth.

 

I will take you up on that coke! Your theories are so far from what I teach, I doubt if we can agree on much the other teaches. Time will tell.

 

One last point: I have asked no one this question: do you really think there will be a great storm in the throne room of heaven, including great hail?

 

LAMAD

 

Yes, we are far apart and I think "time will tell" is a good place to leave it.

 

The lightening and voices and thunderings are likely in the heavens...the earthquake is on earth for obvious reasons, and the hail starts in the heavens and falls to earth.  The only thing I see that has to be in His temple is the ark of His covenant.

[OneLight]

One of the wisest things I think Paul ever said triggers my heart whenever I feel I am right when it comes to prophecy.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

[Daniel 11:36]

To the OP:

 

Briefly ....

 

The 7 seals are portents of the prevailing conditions of the coming tribulation period beginning in chapter 8

 

All must be removed by the Lord from the scroll before the actual judgments begin

 

The 6th seal leads to the short period of silence in heaven [the 7th]

 

And it is the 6th seal that describes human negative reactions as the Judgments begin to fall upon the earth  

Edited September 24, 2014 by Zechariah 14

[Salty]

Salty, you ignore the obvious to push a false theory that takes a lot of rearranging to attempt to make it seem truth. It was JOHN that numbered the seals, not the translators. Now you have to explain to us WHY John would use numbers that were not in the right order. If you say he gave the same order as seen in the vision, then you are really saying that GOD did not know the right order, or He mixed up the order just to confuse us. Does that seem like a "revealing?"

 

What exactly are the seals?

 

 

What gibberish is all that? Who said anything about who numbered the seals??? Christ gave His Revelation to John by vision, the written order is simply how Jesus gave John to see the events. Doesn't mean those given events happen in the exact chronological order that John was given to see them. You have to pay attention to the TYPE of event. You're only kicking against the pricks (prickly cactus) with your determination... to NOT understand that point.

[iamlamad]

 

Salty, you ignore the obvious to push a false theory that takes a lot of rearranging to attempt to make it seem truth. It was JOHN that numbered the seals, not the translators. Now you have to explain to us WHY John would use numbers that were not in the right order. If you say he gave the same order as seen in the vision, then you are really saying that GOD did not know the right order, or He mixed up the order just to confuse us. Does that seem like a "revealing?"

 

What exactly are the seals?

 

 

What gibberish is all that? Who said anything about who numbered the seals??? Christ gave His Revelation to John by vision, the written order is simply how Jesus gave John to see the events. Doesn't mean those given events happen in the exact chronological order that John was given to see them. You have to pay attention to the TYPE of event. You're only kicking against the pricks (prickly cactus) with your determination... to NOT understand that point.

 

WHO numbered the seals, as in FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, ect? You do realize, John could have written without these numbers for sequence. He could have said, "when He opened the next seal...." or "when He opened another seal...."  However, writing by divine inspiration He used numbers. People use numbers for sequence. Some people seem to think they can IGNORE sequence, our just rearrange John's sequence. If you wish to be wrong, that is up to you. It makes perfect sense in the order it is written. You do understand, in your theory, the 7th seal will be broken before the 6th? The scroll cannot be unrolled to reveal the trumpet judgments or anything else for that matter, until all seven seals are broken to allow the scroll to be unrolled. Since John saw all this in vision form, with the seals opened and the scroll unrolled to reveal what was written inside, some think they can pull a seal from the God given sequence, pull a trumpet from the God given sequence, and move them to the end of the week. As I said, some people insist on being wrong.

 

Worse yet, because others are not willing to believe such nonsense, then insults must be used. I understand, it is VERY difficult to attempt to disprove truth. However, some people will never give up trying.

 

LAMAD