Partial Rapture

[finestofthewheat]

The dead in Christ will be caught up "together" .... at the same time

 

The Lord will bring both "together" insuring that the dead in Christ will not be left

 

Remember this ..... the Lord has said that no man has gone to heaven except the One who has come down from heaven

 

So the dead in Christ are still waiting for His call and will be raised along with those living at the time who will not have time to die

 

And this event will take place just before the coming tribulation

 

The "last" trumpet sounding for the event is the "last trumpet for the church"

 

The 7 tribulation trumpets are judgment trumpets and different .... and not connected with it

 

There is the "first" trumpet sounding for the church [Revelation 1:10] .... the first formal communication by the Lord given to the church

 

.... His first formal communication to the assembled church

 

His last will be connected with His call to immortalize them

 

The dead in Christ will be caught up together at the same time as those who are alive and left (who were not 'taken' beforehand).

 

The first rapture according to readiness has not taken place yet so no man is in 3rd heaven yet.

 

1 Thess. 4.14-18 in agreement with 1 Cor. 15.50-52 happens not at the first trumpet at the start of the Tribulation but the last trumpet, the 7th trumpet.

 

Whereas the first rapture is at Rev. 7.9 "before the throne" in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7). When you read Revelation Rev. 7 to 11 are the major points of the Tribulation, and Rev. 12 to 19 are the details of those major points. Rev. 2 & 3 are the 7 church periods. Rev. 4 is the picture of the universe from heaven. Rev. 5 recounts the cross. And Rev. 6 is the past 20 centuries. The 1st Seal recounts the cross as a bow and arrow that looks like a cross, but the arrow has been shot giving Satan a deadly wound by the cross.

 

There is no last trumpet for the Church. There are 7 trumpets of the Tribulation. There is not two different trumpets. God would not so confuse. Christians do not follow Roman tradition of trumpets.

 

Rev. 1.10 is not a trumpet but the "voice as of a trumpet."

 

Whereas the 7 trumpets are actual 7 trumpets. Immortalizing, the term you use, does not take place until the raptures and resurrections.

[ENOCH2010]

Daniel I see in the Bible, Rev:20 where the resurrection of the dead in Christ rise at the Lords second coming, would you show us where in the Bible it speaks about the dead in Christ resurrection happening pre-trib, as you say above.

[Daniel 11:36]

[1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18] .... both the dead in Christ and those living at the time are called together at the same moment

 

On the other hand, tribulation believers will not be resurrected until the end of the tribulation period [Revelation 6:9-11; 15:2-3; 20:4 [those beheaded] .... those on thrones are the pre-tribulation believers of the verses above]

 

Also resurrected at the end of the tribulation period will be the Lord's two prophets [Revelation 11:3-12]

 

Many think that all of the church will be resurrected at the end of the tribulation .... not true

 

Only those who become believers during the tribulation period will be resurrected at the end of the same

 

Post tribulation thinkers point to the "on" the last day concept, but when this is referred to in scripture it is never presented as "on" the last day

 

.... but always as "in" or "at" the last day .... check it out

 

In or at refers to a period of time .... not just one day at the end of the tribulation period 

 

Then after the days of the tribulation the Lord will appear to the mortal survivors and gather them

 

He will separate those found believing from those in unbelief

 

The believing will enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth ....as mortas

 

The unbelieving will be rejected outright and will not enter

 

These gatherings are not resurrections of anyone .... the great trumpet sounding is for the surviving mortals of Israel [isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... then He will gather those of the survivors of the Gentile nations and separate them .... believing sheep from the unbelieving goats

 

If all believers were to be resurrected just after the tribulation period there would be no believers left to enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... but there will be

 

The sheep will enter .... the goats will not [Matthew 25:31-46]

 

The sheep favor Israel during the tribulation [His brethren, kin} .... the goats will not [anti-Semitic ....just like today]

Edited October 28, 2014 by Daniel 11:36

[ENOCH2010]

You still didn't show a pre-trib resurrection of the dead in Christ, and I know why. Because the pre-trib resurrection of the dead in Christ is NOT in the Bible.  

[Daniel 11:36]

Well it is in my Bible son

 

I just gave it to you [1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]

 

And you do not know why .... it is there in bold presentation .... no doubt

[ENOCH2010]

Yep those verses apply to the second coming Rev:20, they say absolutely nothing about a pre-trib resurrection.

[finestofthewheat]

Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10 and Matt. 24.40-42 prove the first rapture according to readiness "before the throne" in 3rd heaven (Rev. 7.9) before the 1st trumpet of the Tribulation (8.7).

 

The general rapture and resurrection happens at the start of the 7th trumpet (Rev. 11.15, 1 Cor. 15.23,50-52; 1 Thess. 4.14-18).

 

There are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere and so it is with the rapture. It is a comparing of wheat with wheat.

 

There are 1260 days in Rev. 8. And 1260 days in Rev. 9 to 11. Rev. 9 says there are 5 months to the 5th trumpet, 13 months to the 6th trumpet which leaves 24 months to the 7th trumpet.

 

Simple. I find Revelation the easiest book of the Bible to understand. You need to start with proper foundation of realizing the 6 Seals are the past 20 centuries; 7th Seal opens up the 7 trumpets of the Tribulation, and the 7th trumpet pours out the 7 bowls of wrath over 24 months. It's like a lock tumbler.

 

Here's a test question: How many months are there before the last trumpet? 

 

ANSWER BELOW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

84 - 24 = 58 months.

Edited October 28, 2014 by finestofthewheat

[rollinTHUNDER]

You still didn't show a pre-trib resurrection of the dead in Christ, and I know why. Because the pre-trib resurrection of the dead in Christ is NOT in the Bible.

How about a post-trib resurrection, ENOCH? Would you settle for that? If so, eat your heart out.

Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

That time of trouble is none other than the great tribulation that Christ mentioned (Matt. 24:21-22).  These are both speaking of the same time and event.  But pre-tribbers continue to deny it.  No need to argue with them, though, because they will find out as soon as the seven year covenant is confirmed, when they are still here with the rest of us.  I hope they have a back up plan!

 

 

 

Cheers

[finestofthewheat]

Luke 21 Shortly Before the Tribulation the First Rapture According to Readiness

25 “And there will be strange signs in the sun, moon, and stars [Rev. 6.12,13 Haiti 2010, Japan 2011, Nov. 3, 2013 long H3 solar, and 2014/15 Tetrad]. And here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. 26 People will be terrified at what they see coming upon the earth, for the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then everyone will see the Son of Man coming on a cloud with power and great glory. 28 So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!” First Jesus meets overcomers raptured alive at the first rapture before the throne in 3rd heaven. Then Jesus returns on the cloud through the Tribulation period to meet the saints in the air at the 7th trumpet. The meeting the saints in the air at the last trumpet takes place at a time before when Jesus returns to step down on the mount of olives. These two events are separated by a 24 month period of the 7th trumpet. When Jesus returns He does not return with all the saints He meet in the air, only those who are overcomers part of the man-child the advanced party of overcomers.

29 Then he gave them this illustration: “Notice the fig tree [representing Israel a nation again], or any other tree [any other nation]. 30 When the leaves come out, you know without being told that summer is near [nations fully developed like today]. 31 In the same way, when you see all these things taking place, you can know that the Kingdom of God is near [Millennial Kingdom]. 32 I tell you the truth, this [wicked] generation will not pass from the scene until all these things have taken place. 33 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

34 “Watch out! Don’t let your hearts be dulled by carousing and drunkenness, and by the worries of this life. Don’t let that day catch you unaware, 35 like a trap. For that day will come upon everyone living on the earth. 36 Keep alert at all times. And pray that you might be strong enough to escape these coming horrors [of the Tribulation] and stand before the Son of Man.” This is the first rapture that is according to readiness otherwise known as partial rapture.

 

To be martyred does not constitute escaping these coming horrors. Martyrdom itself is a horror. Therefore, the only way God can make this promise to us to escape these horrors of the 7 year Tribulation is by being first raptured. Pray on this clear word of Scripture as I pray for your understanding.

Edited October 28, 2014 by finestofthewheat

[Daniel 11:36]

I agree with your view of Luke 21:20-36, however this passage of scripture is a focus upon Israel and the nation's destiny and those mortals who will turn to their Messiah and King that will be saved out of the time of Jacobs' trouble [the 70th week decreed for Israel] .... these will enter the Lord's millennial kingdom restored to them

 

There is no "rapture" or resurrection defined in the passage .... Matthew 24 is of the same view and related