other one Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think I will just not take them at all..... and go my way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2014 Acts 7:55King James Version (KJV) 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANSWER Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/14/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2014 i believe Jehova YHWH is God the father not Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,235 Content Per Day: 3.48 Reputation: 8,517 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Well written Persuaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,235 Content Per Day: 3.48 Reputation: 8,517 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted October 15, 2014 There is a very interesting title given to our precious Lord - `The Firstborn.` This special title is used in four dignified relationships in regard to our Lord Jesus Christ. 1. He is the Firstborn of all creation. (Col. 1: 15) 2. He is the Firstborn of the virgin. (Luke 2: 7) 3. He is the Firstborn from the dead. (Col. 1: 18) 4. He is the Firstborn among many brethren. (Rom. 8: 29) In no instance does birth refer to a beginning but always to a manifestation; therefore our Lord`s fourfold manifestation in this world is profoundly significant. The unparalleled dignity of His sublime person is unveiled as the Creator of the Universe, the Crown of humanity, the Conqueror of death & the Chiefest in spiritual society. There is none like our precious Lord who held the highest honour in the celestial courts yet who `came down from heaven,` (John 3: 13) to this sin sick world. He is the second person of the Trinity, the incarnate Word of God, `for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.` (Col. 2: 9) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persuaded Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 249 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2014 Inchrist, "My Lord and my God" is not "my translation": John 20:28 (NKJV) And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (HCSB) Thomas responded to Him, "My Lord and my God! " John 20:28 (NLT) "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed. John 20:28 (ASV) Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28 (KJV) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28 (NET) Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (ESV) Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (NIV) Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (NASB) Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (RSV) Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (YLT) And Thomas answered and said to him, `My Lord and my God;' John 20:28 (WEB) And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28 (HNV) T'oma answered him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28 (BBE) And Thomas said in answer, My Lord and my God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rontiger Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 263 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 210 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/27/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Hi. I would like to refer you to Zechariah 12: 8-11. In these beautiful, powerful prophetic verses, YHWH the Almighty God says He Himself will be crucified (pierced, verse 10).YHWH God is the Messiah/Christ!This clearly and absolutely proves YHWH (the Son) is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.{As you know in most English Bible translations "YHWH" is replaced by the 4 capitalized letters "LORD".} In Genesis 19:24, there are clearly 2 distinct Persons of the Godhead existing as one YHWH. That is a fact. These are (1) YHWH the Son(Jesus) and (2)YHWH the Father.(The 3rd Person of the Godhead, is as you know the Holy Spirit, but He is not mentioned in this verse) In Zechariah 2:8-9 , (1)YHWH(LORD) ALMIGHTY declares that you will know (2)YHWH(LORD) ALMIGHTY has sent "me". This is YHWH the Son(Jesus) saying they will know YHWH the Father has sent Him! Zechariah 2:10-11, proves again the same. In Matthew 12:8 Jesus declares that He is the Lord of the Sabbath. Now everyone knows only YHWH the Almighty is the Lord of the Sabbath He created and rested on! This should absolutely, definitely, and patently prove to anyone who is searching for the truth in a sincere and systematic way, with the Bible as their foundation, that Jesus of Nazareth is YHWH Almighty, along with the Father and Holy Spirit.(Matthew 28:19 " baptizing them in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.") In John 20:28 , Thomas very clearly calls Jesus :"...my God." All the best Greek scholars affirm and agree with this. We can be 100% certain from the evidence in the Bible that Jesus is Almighty YHWH. Sincerely,Rony. Edited October 15, 2014 by rontiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Good answers by all. inchrist have you taken note of the overwhelming conclusion scripture has led most on this thread to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,257 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,673 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2014 John 10:30-33 I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took us stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works have I shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?" The Jews answered Him saying "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF GOD". 38b know and believe that the Father is in Me and I in Him." Jesus did claim to be God, and to be the Great I AM. He did not claim to be our Father God, but yet claimed to be in the Father and to have the Father living in Him. The Jews knew exactly what He was saying, and had asked Him in verse 24 "If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Yet when He did they tried to stone Him for it. And they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated "God with us". Matt 1:23 NKJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted October 16, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2014 The Bible says all three persons of the godhead are responsible for the creation: Creation, by Jesus: John 1 (which I think I've read elsewhere that you dispute, using a novel approach, differently than the JW's rather unimaginative insertion of the article "a" in front of "God". But still, their company is not one I'd join lightly.) [Heb 1:1-2 NKJV] God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; [Col 1:16 NKJV] For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Creation, by the Holy Spirit: [Psa 104:30 NKJV] You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; And You renew the face of the earth. Creation, by the Father/Jehovah: [Psa 33:6 KJV] By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Other instances where the Son is spoken of as YHWH: Hebrews 1 quotes Psalms that speak of both elohiym and YHWH, and attribute both as referring to the Son. Philippians 2, the kenosis: [Phl 2:5-11 NKJV] Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, [and] coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to [the point of] death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. To whom shall every knee bow? Isaiah 45 (and Romans 14:11) tells us emphatically that it is the LORD, YHWH. Who is the first and last, the alpha and omega? Is it the Father, or the Son? Or do they both make the claim? [Rev 1:8 NKJV] "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." [Rev 1:11 NKJV] saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send [it] to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." [Rev 21:6 NKJV] And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. [Rev 22:13 NKJV] "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End, the First and the Last." [Rev 2:8 NKJV] "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, 'These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: And "doubting" Thomas' expression on seeing Christ in His resurrection body; "My Lord and my God". I suspect he said it in shame and awe. We all will say that phrase some day: perhaps with adoration, or with shame, or outright terror. John 14:28King James Version (KJV) 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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