Is Satan still in heaven?

[Serving]

I see a percentage of Christians believe that Satan still has access to heaven & is not cast out until the wrath of God begins or just before the persecution of the saints (the tribulation).

 

This is just not so .. Satan has been cast out for over 2000 years now .. right after Christ's ascension in fact.

 

Before we reach the below verses, Christ is taken up to His Father in v5 .. v6 finds the Apostles going into hiding (in Antioch) 

 

Then we read this :

 

Rev 12:

 

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

 

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

 

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

 

 

Ok, Note v10, this is the answer to when Satan was evicted from heaven .. note v10 is only declared after Satan has been cast out  .. lets break it down into increments ..

 

 

1 "Now is come salvation" ..

 

Q:  WHEN did salvation come available to men?

 

A:  AFTER Christ died & then ascended of course!

 

Remember: the testament is not in effect until the testator is dead.

 

Thus the door (Christ) is now opened & salvation (since Christ's death & resurrection) is now available to those wishing to enter ..

 

Thus "Now is come salvation" is meaning salvation is NOW available .. which is the promise that is to be fulfilled WHEN Christ brings His reward (Fulfilment of His promise) at His 2nd coming .. 

 

Note: Rewards are only given after the rewarded deeds are done .. meaning First the race, THEN the reward .. thus the promise of salvation must come before the literal salvation is given.

 

2 (Now is come) "And strength" .. through Christ's victory.. amongst other applicable meanings.

 

3 (Now is come) "And the kingdom of our God" .. Scripture declares Christ's testament as the gospel of the kingdom .. and since the testament (gospels) came into effect after the testators death, the invitation to partake in the coming kingdom are now freely available to any and all who desire it .. that is what has come .. 

 

But first one must live by the gospel of the kingdom before the literal / actual receiving  of the kingdom reward .. remember .. invitations always come first .. then AFTER the invites are received comes the actual attendance ..

 

Thus through Christ's victory, the kingdom of our God has indeed come .. come through a promise with an invite to attend the coming literal event .. an event which occurs at His 2nd coming (the literal fulfilment of the coming kingdom) .. hence : "He will come with His reward".  

 

4  (now is come) "And the power of His Christ" .. Christ was given all authority by His Father after His ascension .

 

5 (now is come) "for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night" .. thus Satan has already been cast out of heaven .. cast out some 2000 odd years ago!

 

Please use your God given logic here .. 

 

Satan is NOW masquerading as an angel of LIGHT and his angels as ministers of righteousness .. meaning he is masquerading as Christian in his message (designed to corrupt from within) .. so .. 

 

Q: Can Satan accuse Christians any longer once he began deceiving Christians with a false Christian message? Meaning he has now implicated himself and no longer has a right to accuse!!

 

Of course not!!

 

So what does that tactic imply?

 

It implies that his situation has changed (cast out from heaven) and he was forced to try another option (divide and conquer) which would instantly make all his accusations null and void ..

 

And since Satan is not stupid, knowing Christ isn't stupid either .. what would be the point of further accusations now he has implicated himself beyond all reason?

 

It's not rocket science .. just common sense!! 

 

God bless.

 

 

 

 

 

[other one]

I see a percentage of Christians believe that Satan still has access to heaven & is not cast out until the wrath of God begins or just before the persecution of the saints (the tribulation).

 

This is just not so .. Satan has been cast out for over 2000 years now .. right after Christ's ascension in fact.

 

Before we reach the below verses, Christ is taken up to His Father in v5 .. v6 finds the Apostles going into hiding (in Antioch) 

 

Then we read this :

 

Rev 12:

 

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

 

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

 

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

If you look at the verses just prior to this you get a picture of the sky on September 23'rd, 2017.....    and it's the only time I can find this picture in the skies in the past 2,000 years and I'm still looking.  Look for his arrival sometime that week.

 

 

Gen 1:14-15

14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth

NASB

[Joshua-777]

I agree, satans been thrown down for 2000 years, it was at the cross, he lost his power and authority.

Jesus said in refering to the cross,

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

34 The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?”

Refering to the Holy Spirit,

John 16:11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Who the Spirit manifests the Kingdom of God dethrowning the kingdom of darkness and establishing His reign and rule.

Matthew 12:8 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.


The devil has been cast out, lets plunder His goods!

Matthew 12:29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

Gates are a deffencive structure, that means we're on the offence, satan has been cast of heaven!

Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”


Jesus gave us the authority

 

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

And took the judgement of the world upon Himself making a public specticle.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.


The power of the accuser was our sin, our debt has been paid with the blood of Jesus. There is nothing left to accuse us of, Jesus paid the price for the world.

1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.


Male Child = Jesus goes up to heaven

Revelation 5:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

Jesus goes up and the devil comes down.

Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

[pomegran]

other one, just a heads up, I think you meant Sept. 23, 2017 

[other one]

other one, just a heads up, I think you meant Sept. 23, 2017

you're right,  I changed it.

[Serving]

I agree, satans been thrown down for 2000 years, it was at the cross, he lost his power and authority.

Jesus said in refering to the cross,

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

34 The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?”

Refering to the Holy Spirit,

John 16:11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Who the Spirit manifests the Kingdom of God dethrowning the kingdom of darkness and establishing His reign and rule.

Matthew 12:8 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The devil has been cast out, lets plunder His goods!

Matthew 12:29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

Gates are a deffencive structure, that means we're on the offence, satan has been cast of heaven!

Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Jesus gave us the authority

 

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

And took the judgement of the world upon Himself making a public specticle.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

The power of the accuser was our sin, our debt has been paid with the blood of Jesus. There is nothing left to accuse us of, Jesus paid the price for the world.

1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

Male Child = Jesus goes up to heaven

Revelation 5:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

Jesus goes up and the devil comes down.

Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Cheers Joshua,

 

I was just concentrating on Rev ch12 for now & was saving John 12:31 for any hard resistance but I tip my hat to your excellent reply ..

 

God bless brother.

[Serving]

 

I see a percentage of Christians believe that Satan still has access to heaven & is not cast out until the wrath of God begins or just before the persecution of the saints (the tribulation).

 

This is just not so .. Satan has been cast out for over 2000 years now .. right after Christ's ascension in fact.

 

Before we reach the below verses, Christ is taken up to His Father in v5 .. v6 finds the Apostles going into hiding (in Antioch) 

 

Then we read this :

 

Rev 12:

 

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

 

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

 

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

If you look at the verses just prior to this you get a picture of the sky on September 23'rd, 2017.....    and it's the only time I can find this picture in the skies in the past 2,000 years and I'm still looking.  Look for his arrival sometime that week.

 

 

Gen 1:14-15

14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth

NASB

 

Hi Other One,

 

I am more along the lines of the vision as being a one time event for the visions sake and not related to star signs etc ..

 

But thanks for your reply.

 

God bless.

[OakWood]

 

other one, just a heads up, I think you meant Sept. 23, 2017

you're right,  I changed it.

 

 

Sorry, where do you get this date from? I've never hard that before.

[Bible_Gazer]

If we use Rev.12

Revelation 12:1-2

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun,

and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Which heaven is this ?

Its the same place where Satan is working.

How many heavens are there in Rev.12 talking about or are they the same ?

I don't think there will pregnant women in heaven where God is, do you ?

[other one]

 

 

other one, just a heads up, I think you meant Sept. 23, 2017

you're right,  I changed it.

 

 

Sorry, where do you get this date from? I've never hard that before.

 

 

By taking my stellarium program and watching the constilation Virgo......    On this date all those things in Rev chapter 12:1-2 will be in the sky.  Which is followed up by the red dragon being kicked out of heaven.....    So I thought I'd see when this site might be in the heavens.  Turns out that is the day.    So I started running the program backwards and I can't find any time that it happened all the way back to BC.  So I went forward for a couple of hundred years.....       So I thought I'd check and see if anyone else had noticed and it turns out that you can find several others on Google.