Darren Wilson resigns

[shoes_untied]

"shoes, you said it yourself. after his biological parents split up, he never again lived with his mother or father. i haven't heard anything negative about his biological father (and the only thing i ever heard about him at all was that he did not want riots to erupt)."

 

You may want to re-read what I said.  He lived in a household with his mother until she moved when he was in high school and they decided to let him finish his high school without switching by staying and living with his Grand Mother.  That would be a fairly pedestrian parental decision in middle class america that would likely even be viewed as a smart and thoughtful thing for a kid.  The Browns don't get that benefit of the doubt.  It is perfectly fine to pass on misinformation about his upbringing.

 

but his mother has reportedly initiated and led an attack and robbery on a vendor of t-shirts... some say the vendor was the grandmother, but i'm not sure about that part.

his mother's boyfriend (reported by the media as a 'step-father', which by definition he is not) is reportedly a member of the bloods, a violent gang.

michael, himself, has had photos of himself flashing gang signs associated with the bloods (when he was alive) all over social media.

 

"do you believe this was the innocent young boy that the media is portraying him as? you do seem to think he was an innocent victim, in spite of having just finished stealing from a store, being aggressive with the store clerk, then being mouthy and shouting dares and taunts at the officer when he was asked to move out of the street, and then becoming aggressive with the officer, fighting with him, and trying to steal the gun from the officer."

 

The media is not portraying him as an innocent victim.  That is made up.  At the very kindest, it is portraying him as an unarmed person with his hands in the air that got shot.  I'm not sure what you are reading that leads you say that I think he is an innocent victim.  I am more inclined to think that this was a mish mash of imperfection all around that ended in tragedy. What I am against is putting a person's whole life and now even his parents life on trial and that it mostly seems to be open season when the victim is black.  

 

"if you had heard of that kind of behavior, but had no idea of the skin color of the person who was doing those things, wouldn't you call it thuggish?"

 

I would not base anything simply on what I heard.  I would only base it on substantiated facts.  So far the facts related to this seem to mostly reside in the right wing blogish news sites.

 

Let me ask you this, would you consider a mother that went through three marriages during a kids childhood, that was convicted of both forgery and stealing and who provided what was described as providing no structure for their child's upbringing as someone who should be shunned or a thug?  Well, that describes Darrin Wilson's mother and I don't see his upbringing being put on trial in like I do Michael Brown's upbringing.  You really have to go out looking for it to find out that info about the Wilson family.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

"shoes, you said it yourself. after his biological parents split up, he never again lived with his mother or father. i haven't heard anything negative about his biological father (and the only thing i ever heard about him at all was that he did not want riots to erupt)."

 

You may want to re-read what I said.  He lived in a household with his mother until she moved when he was in high school and they decided to let him finish his high school without switching by staying and living with his Grand Mother.  That would be a fairly pedestrian parental decision in middle class america that would likely even be viewed as a smart and thoughtful thing for a kid.  The Browns don't get that benefit of the doubt.  It is perfectly fine to pass on misinformation about his upbringing.

 

but his mother has reportedly initiated and led an attack and robbery on a vendor of t-shirts... some say the vendor was the grandmother, but i'm not sure about that part.

his mother's boyfriend (reported by the media as a 'step-father', which by definition he is not) is reportedly a member of the bloods, a violent gang.

michael, himself, has had photos of himself flashing gang signs associated with the bloods (when he was alive) all over social media.

 

"do you believe this was the innocent young boy that the media is portraying him as? you do seem to think he was an innocent victim, in spite of having just finished stealing from a store, being aggressive with the store clerk, then being mouthy and shouting dares and taunts at the officer when he was asked to move out of the street, and then becoming aggressive with the officer, fighting with him, and trying to steal the gun from the officer."

 

The media is not portraying him as an innocent victim.  That is made up.  At the very kindest, it is portraying him as an unarmed person with his hands in the air that got shot.  I'm not sure what you are reading that leads you say that I think he is an innocent victim.  I am more inclined to think that this was a mish mash of imperfection all around that ended in tragedy. What I am against is putting a person's whole life and now even his parents life on trial and that it mostly seems to be open season when the victim is black.  

 

"if you had heard of that kind of behavior, but had no idea of the skin color of the person who was doing those things, wouldn't you call it thuggish?"

 

I would not base anything simply on what I heard.  I would only base it on substantiated facts.  So far the facts related to this seem to mostly reside in the right wing blogish news sites.

 

Let me ask you this, would you consider a mother that went through three marriages during a kids childhood, that was convicted of both forgery and stealing and who provided what was described as providing no structure for their child's upbringing as someone who should be shunned or a thug?  Well, that describes Darrin Wilson's mother and I don't see his upbringing being put on trial in like I do Michael Brown's upbringing.  You really have to go out looking for it to find out that info about the Wilson family.

 

 

That isn't a very good comparison.   McSpadden is exploiting this entire thing to profit from her son's death.  She had people attack and beat up Brown's Grandmother to get money off of T-shirts memorializing Michael Brown.  That's thuggish, any way you slice it.

[Guest LadyC]

 

 

"if you had heard of that kind of behavior, but had no idea of the skin color of the person who was doing those things, wouldn't you call it thuggish?"

 

I would not base anything simply on what I heard.  I would only base it on substantiated facts.  So far the facts related to this seem to mostly reside in the right wing blogish news sites.

 

Let me ask you this, would you consider a mother that went through three marriages during a kids childhood, that was convicted of both forgery and stealing and who provided what was described as providing no structure for their child's upbringing as someone who should be shunned or a thug?  Well, that describes Darrin Wilson's mother and I don't see his upbringing being put on trial in like I do Michael Brown's upbringing.  You really have to go out looking for it to find out that info about the Wilson family.

 

 

 

and yet you seem to have no problem trying and convicting without a trial, the cop who shot someone who has just assaulted both him and another man, based solely on the fact that the cop's skin is white.

 

we aren't talking about brown's mother's whole life. we're talking about her current life choices and actions. she is under investigation for having committed robbery and assault, just as her son was doing just before his death. we're talking about her choice to live with a man who is allegedly a known gang member. and none of that has to do with their skin color. it has to do with their attitude towards life, towards society, towards God and towards the law.

 

since the cop wasn't committing any crimes, and was in fact holding up the law, and since a GRAND JURY evaluated three months worth of testimony and evidence and decided there was not enough to take it to trial, why would anyone care what his mother did ten or twenty years earlier? 

 

again, we're not talking about brown's mother's ancient history. we're talking about her choices in very recent history. 

 

wilson is 28. whatever choices his mother made, good or bad, he has not let it hinder who he was. he took responsibility for his actions as an adult, probably went to college, definitely went through months of training at the police academy, and was several years into an unblemished career as a police officer.

 

brown was 18. whatever choices HIS mother made, including shacking up with a criminal gang member, and including being a person prone to violence and disrespect for the property of others, not to mention a lack of regard for the law, seems to have a direct reflection in her son's own actions in his last moments.

 

but you're right. we shouldn't consider his mother's actions. because michael brown was 18. he was a grown man, fully adult, and fully responsible for his own actions. and he alone chose to rob a store, beat up a store clerk and a cop, and try to steal a gun. so i agree, we shouldn't muddy the water with his mother's lifestyle. too many would-be felons have gotten off the hook in trials by blaming their upbringing as their excuse to commit crimes. i'll try to remember not to give him that scapegoat again.

 

you talk about the facts of this case being unsubstantiated and from right wing blog sites. and yet the TRUTH of the matter is that the FACTS of this case were determined by a grand jury, under enormous pressure to indict, who spent three months carefully evaluating testimony and evidence from witnesses, forensic experts, medical experts, autopsy reports and who knows what else.

 

it's your own personal bias that keeps accusing the decision as unsubstantiated. there was no bias in the courtroom. there was evidence. and testimony. and no matter how badly that hurts, there was simply not enough evidence against the cop to even take to trial. ya know, it doesn't take much evidence at all to get an indictment. for a grand jury to return without one means quite simply that the case was so flimsy it would have been laughable to take to trial. it really is as simple as that.

[ayin jade]

GotNews and the St. Louis news paper have filed legal requests for the court system to release Michale's juvenile records.   They were told off the record that he had problems.

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/1443591/did-michael-brown-have-a-criminal-record/

 

I don't know how reliable this news site is, but it doesn't seem to be one of the satire sites.

 

 

That site is garbage. It consistently posts photos of mars claiming things like big foot or aliens are in the photos.

[Guest shiloh357]

You know, it is occurs to me...   If the story had turned out differently, and Michael Brown had gotten a hold of Wilson's gun and shot him, you would not have seen anyone rioting over the abuse of police officers.  In fact, Brown would have been seen as a hero.  

 

I remember all of the people who rioted and tried to burn down Los Angeles after OJ Simpson was acquitted for murdering two white people.   Oh wait....

[Guest LadyC]

shiloh

 

You know, it is occurs to me...   If the story had turned out differently, and Michael Brown had gotten a hold of Wilson's gun and shot him, you would not have seen anyone rioting over the abuse of police officers.  In fact, Brown would have been seen as a hero.  

 

I remember all of the people who rioted and tried to burn down Los Angeles after OJ Simpson was acquitted for murdering two white people.   Oh wait....

 

many here would have no idea what case you are talking about... there are many who are just too young to have a clue who oj is or what atrocities he committed, or whether any riots ever broke out.

[shoes_untied]

 

 

 

"if you had heard of that kind of behavior, but had no idea of the skin color of the person who was doing those things, wouldn't you call it thuggish?"

 

I would not base anything simply on what I heard.  I would only base it on substantiated facts.  So far the facts related to this seem to mostly reside in the right wing blogish news sites.

 

Let me ask you this, would you consider a mother that went through three marriages during a kids childhood, that was convicted of both forgery and stealing and who provided what was described as providing no structure for their child's upbringing as someone who should be shunned or a thug?  Well, that describes Darrin Wilson's mother and I don't see his upbringing being put on trial in like I do Michael Brown's upbringing.  You really have to go out looking for it to find out that info about the Wilson family.

 

 

 

and yet you seem to have no problem trying and convicting without a trial, the cop who shot someone who has just assaulted both him and another man, based solely on the fact that the cop's skin is white.

 

we aren't talking about brown's mother's whole life. we're talking about her current life choices and actions. she is under investigation for having committed robbery and assault, just as her son was doing just before his death. we're talking about her choice to live with a man who is allegedly a known gang member. and none of that has to do with their skin color. it has to do with their attitude towards life, towards society, towards God and towards the law.

 

since the cop wasn't committing any crimes, and was in fact holding up the law, and since a GRAND JURY evaluated three months worth of testimony and evidence and decided there was not enough to take it to trial, why would anyone care what his mother did ten or twenty years earlier? 

 

again, we're not talking about brown's mother's ancient history. we're talking about her choices in very recent history. 

 

wilson is 28. whatever choices his mother made, good or bad, he has not let it hinder who he was. he took responsibility for his actions as an adult, probably went to college, definitely went through months of training at the police academy, and was several years into an unblemished career as a police officer.

 

brown was 18. whatever choices HIS mother made, including shacking up with a criminal gang member, and including being a person prone to violence and disrespect for the property of others, not to mention a lack of regard for the law, seems to have a direct reflection in her son's own actions in his last moments.

 

but you're right. we shouldn't consider his mother's actions. because michael brown was 18. he was a grown man, fully adult, and fully responsible for his own actions. and he alone chose to rob a store, beat up a store clerk and a cop, and try to steal a gun. so i agree, we shouldn't muddy the water with his mother's lifestyle. too many would-be felons have gotten off the hook in trials by blaming their upbringing as their excuse to commit crimes. i'll try to remember not to give him that scapegoat again.

 

you talk about the facts of this case being unsubstantiated and from right wing blog sites. and yet the TRUTH of the matter is that the FACTS of this case were determined by a grand jury, under enormous pressure to indict, who spent three months carefully evaluating testimony and evidence from witnesses, forensic experts, medical experts, autopsy reports and who knows what else.

 

it's your own personal bias that keeps accusing the decision as unsubstantiated. there was no bias in the courtroom. there was evidence. and testimony. and no matter how badly that hurts, there was simply not enough evidence against the cop to even take to trial. ya know, it doesn't take much evidence at all to get an indictment. for a grand jury to return without one means quite simply that the case was so flimsy it would have been laughable to take to trial. it really is as simple as that.

 

 

It would take all night to respond to everything wrong in this post and I really shouldn't respond to any of it because it's not really even based on anything I said.  Can you show me where I am trying and convicting Darren Wilson because I'm drawing a blank.  Can you show me where I'm claiming the facts in the case are unsubstantiated because I'm drawing a blank on that too?

 

I do remember saying specifically that he was raised by his grand mother were unsubstantiated and that is because the statement is untrue and I did point out that the sources that Shiloh used to substantiate the statement had no bearing on what whether or not he was raised by his grandmother.  The reason I made those statements is because they were true.  If you would like to defend the falsehood that he was raised by only by his grandmother then be my guest and show me the facts.  You won't because he wasn't.  Sorry.

[shoes_untied]

 

 

"shoes, you said it yourself. after his biological parents split up, he never again lived with his mother or father. i haven't heard anything negative about his biological father (and the only thing i ever heard about him at all was that he did not want riots to erupt)."

 

You may want to re-read what I said.  He lived in a household with his mother until she moved when he was in high school and they decided to let him finish his high school without switching by staying and living with his Grand Mother.  That would be a fairly pedestrian parental decision in middle class america that would likely even be viewed as a smart and thoughtful thing for a kid.  The Browns don't get that benefit of the doubt.  It is perfectly fine to pass on misinformation about his upbringing.

 

but his mother has reportedly initiated and led an attack and robbery on a vendor of t-shirts... some say the vendor was the grandmother, but i'm not sure about that part.

his mother's boyfriend (reported by the media as a 'step-father', which by definition he is not) is reportedly a member of the bloods, a violent gang.

michael, himself, has had photos of himself flashing gang signs associated with the bloods (when he was alive) all over social media.

 

"do you believe this was the innocent young boy that the media is portraying him as? you do seem to think he was an innocent victim, in spite of having just finished stealing from a store, being aggressive with the store clerk, then being mouthy and shouting dares and taunts at the officer when he was asked to move out of the street, and then becoming aggressive with the officer, fighting with him, and trying to steal the gun from the officer."

 

The media is not portraying him as an innocent victim.  That is made up.  At the very kindest, it is portraying him as an unarmed person with his hands in the air that got shot.  I'm not sure what you are reading that leads you say that I think he is an innocent victim.  I am more inclined to think that this was a mish mash of imperfection all around that ended in tragedy. What I am against is putting a person's whole life and now even his parents life on trial and that it mostly seems to be open season when the victim is black.  

 

"if you had heard of that kind of behavior, but had no idea of the skin color of the person who was doing those things, wouldn't you call it thuggish?"

 

I would not base anything simply on what I heard.  I would only base it on substantiated facts.  So far the facts related to this seem to mostly reside in the right wing blogish news sites.

 

Let me ask you this, would you consider a mother that went through three marriages during a kids childhood, that was convicted of both forgery and stealing and who provided what was described as providing no structure for their child's upbringing as someone who should be shunned or a thug?  Well, that describes Darrin Wilson's mother and I don't see his upbringing being put on trial in like I do Michael Brown's upbringing.  You really have to go out looking for it to find out that info about the Wilson family.

 

 

That isn't a very good comparison.   McSpadden is exploiting this entire thing to profit from her son's death.  She had people attack and beat up Brown's Grandmother to get money off of T-shirts memorializing Michael Brown.  That's thuggish, any way you slice it.

 

 

You are missing the point on two levels.  My fact point is that you were spreading falsehoods about his upbringing.  The bigger point I was trying to illustrate is how completely ridiculous it is to try the parents as part of this thing.  However, I will play along and concede your point that they are not comparable.  Darrin Wilson's mom was convicted of hard crimes.  Michael Browns mom is, per the rumor mill which based on the falsehoods I see thrown around here is highly suspect, is just under investigation and is being subject to people, many of whom seem to be Christians here, that think they can look at her and know what is on her heart and what her core motives are.  Sorry, I don't know that from looking at a person.  Haven't developed that skill yet.

[Guest]

You are missing the point on two levels.  

 

My fact point is that you were spreading falsehoods about his upbringing.  

 

The bigger point I was trying to illustrate is how completely ridiculous it is to try the parents as part of this thing.  

However, I will play along and concede your point that they are not comparable.  

 

Darrin Wilson's mom was convicted of hard crimes.  

Michael Browns mom is, per the rumor mill which based on the falsehoods

I see thrown around here is highly suspect, is just under investigation

 

and is being subject to people, many of whom seem to be Christians here, that think they can look at her and know what is

on her heart and what her core motives are.  

 

Sorry, I don't know that from looking at a person. 

Haven't developed that skill yet.

 

 

Hear~!

 

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

 

Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

 

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

 

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Matthew 15:16-18

 

Hear~!

 

And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body,

 

and setteth on fire the course of nature;

 

and it is set on fire of hell. James 3:76

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

"shoes, you said it yourself. after his biological parents split up, he never again lived with his mother or father. i haven't heard anything negative about his biological father (and the only thing i ever heard about him at all was that he did not want riots to erupt)."

 

You may want to re-read what I said.  He lived in a household with his mother until she moved when he was in high school and they decided to let him finish his high school without switching by staying and living with his Grand Mother.  That would be a fairly pedestrian parental decision in middle class america that would likely even be viewed as a smart and thoughtful thing for a kid.  The Browns don't get that benefit of the doubt.  It is perfectly fine to pass on misinformation about his upbringing.

 

but his mother has reportedly initiated and led an attack and robbery on a vendor of t-shirts... some say the vendor was the grandmother, but i'm not sure about that part.

his mother's boyfriend (reported by the media as a 'step-father', which by definition he is not) is reportedly a member of the bloods, a violent gang.

michael, himself, has had photos of himself flashing gang signs associated with the bloods (when he was alive) all over social media.

 

"do you believe this was the innocent young boy that the media is portraying him as? you do seem to think he was an innocent victim, in spite of having just finished stealing from a store, being aggressive with the store clerk, then being mouthy and shouting dares and taunts at the officer when he was asked to move out of the street, and then becoming aggressive with the officer, fighting with him, and trying to steal the gun from the officer."

 

The media is not portraying him as an innocent victim.  That is made up.  At the very kindest, it is portraying him as an unarmed person with his hands in the air that got shot.  I'm not sure what you are reading that leads you say that I think he is an innocent victim.  I am more inclined to think that this was a mish mash of imperfection all around that ended in tragedy. What I am against is putting a person's whole life and now even his parents life on trial and that it mostly seems to be open season when the victim is black.  

 

"if you had heard of that kind of behavior, but had no idea of the skin color of the person who was doing those things, wouldn't you call it thuggish?"

 

I would not base anything simply on what I heard.  I would only base it on substantiated facts.  So far the facts related to this seem to mostly reside in the right wing blogish news sites.

 

Let me ask you this, would you consider a mother that went through three marriages during a kids childhood, that was convicted of both forgery and stealing and who provided what was described as providing no structure for their child's upbringing as someone who should be shunned or a thug?  Well, that describes Darrin Wilson's mother and I don't see his upbringing being put on trial in like I do Michael Brown's upbringing.  You really have to go out looking for it to find out that info about the Wilson family.

 

 

That isn't a very good comparison.   McSpadden is exploiting this entire thing to profit from her son's death.  She had people attack and beat up Brown's Grandmother to get money off of T-shirts memorializing Michael Brown.  That's thuggish, any way you slice it.

 

 

You are missing the point on two levels.  My fact point is that you were spreading falsehoods about his upbringing. 

 

I disagree.  His mother and father didn't care about him until they could make money off of him.

 

The bigger point I was trying to illustrate is how completely ridiculous it is to try the parents as part of this thing. 

 

If they attempt to sue Wilson or file a civil suit, not only will they lose but they open themselves up to countersuits.

 

However, I will play along and concede your point that they are not comparable.  Darrin Wilson's mom was convicted of hard crimes.  Michael Browns mom is, per the rumor mill which based on the falsehoods I see thrown around here is highly suspect, is just under investigation and is being subject to people, many of whom seem to be Christians here, that think they can look at her and know what is on her heart and what her core motives are.  Sorry, I don't know that from looking at a person.  Haven't developed that skill yet.

 

This isn't about whose parents are better.  It is about the fact that Wilson's mom didn't commit assault.   Brown's parents are thugs and are typical of what is wrong with the African American culture in this country.   I am not basing anything on how a person looks. You keep trying play the race card and I am not biting on that.