Islam: The Most Violent Religion In the World, But Let's Keep Call

[Guest shiloh357]

Thank you all for your responses. 

 

 It has happened already that in every day conversation with a Jewish person or a Muslim person about things like violence and such;

that they have brought up those periods of time to say that Christians really are no better than others when it comes to doing atrocious things to defend and impose their beliefs,

 

A question ?

 

who recruited those prison inmates ?

The Pope/Catholic Church.    What happened is that they needed to raise an army and most of those in prison were murderers and thieves and were already sentenced to death.   Pope Urban II and other Popes as well, gave the inmates the option of serving in the Crusades and if they survived, they were promised freedom.   They needed an army of men who had no qualms about killing others and these murderers and criminals made for an instant and cheap army.   They were "Christianized" when they crossed the Jordan River.  They were told that crossing the Jordan in their journey to Jerusalem constituted their "baptism."    They were never actually converts to Christianity at all.  Of course the chances were that all of these inmates would either die on the journey or die in battle so it saved the state the trouble and expense of an execution.

[1to3]

 

But through out history, the times of inquisition and crusades and other, did they not also, so called Christians, in the name of Christianity also force people to convert and if not kill them?

 

I think that the  people in history who in the name of Christianity killed those who did not convert to Christianity or those who did not look sincere about their conversion

also did something very wrong and sinful.

 

People can bring the same argument about christian a religion of peace who have used force to instill their belief system.

 

 In the past Christians and Muslims did fight for dominance over their religions and as we can see continue to do so.

 

Now it is the radical Muslims who seek dominance at all cost.

 

It is really pure evil at work , but so called Christians of the past where not much better and if they did not repent for their evil doing,

will also be held accountable.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Actually, your argument is factually incorrect.

 

Christians have never brought anything but compassion to the world.    The Inquisitions, the crusades, the pogroms and so forth were not committed by genuine followers of Jesus.   They did not follow the teachings of Christ.   Jesus' teachings when followed by genuine believers have never created evil in the world, but have only brought good to the world.

 

The crusaders were mostly prison inmates that were recruited to fight against the Muslims.  They were not actual Christians.   One has to either ignore the teachings of Christ or pervert certain aspects of the Bible to justify violence in the Name of Jesus.  Christians have never fought for Christianity to be dominant over other religions.   In fact, with respect to the crusades, if you study history, it was the Muslims who caused the crusades to happen.  The crusades were a response to Muslims murdering Christians who were traveling as pilgrims to worship in the Holy Land.  

 

 

 

 

Thank you all for your responses. 

 

 It has happened already that in every day conversation with a Jewish person or a Muslim person about things like violence and such;

that they have brought up those periods of time to say that Christians really are no better than others when it comes to doing atrocious things to defend and impose their beliefs,

 

A question ?

 

who recruited those prison inmates ?

The Pope/Catholic Church.    What happened is that they needed to raise an army and most of those in prison were murderers and thieves and were already sentenced to death.   Pope Urban II and other Popes as well, gave the inmates the option of serving in the Crusades and if they survived, they were promised freedom.   They needed an army of men who had no qualms about killing others and these murderers and criminals made for an instant and cheap army.   They were "Christianized" when they crossed the Jordan River.  They were told that crossing the Jordan in their journey to Jerusalem constituted their "baptism."    They were never actually converts to Christianity at all.  Of course the chances were that all of these inmates would either die on the journey or die in battle so it saved the state the trouble and expense of an execution.

 

 

Thank you

 

 

But through out history, the times of inquisition and crusades and other, did they not also, so called Christians, in the name of Christianity also force people to convert and if not kill them?

 

I think that the  people in history who in the name of Christianity killed those who did not convert to Christianity or those who did not look sincere about their conversion

also did something very wrong and sinful.

 

People can bring the same argument about christian a religion of peace who have used force to instill their belief system.

 

 In the past Christians and Muslims did fight for dominance over their religions and as we can see continue to do so.

 

Now it is the radical Muslims who seek dominance at all cost.

 

It is really pure evil at work , but so called Christians of the past where not much better and if they did not repent for their evil doing,

will also be held accountable.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Completely different. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Whenever Christians committed atrocities they were NOT following the word of Christ.

Whenever Muslims commit atrocities they are doing exactly as Mohammed told them to do.

 

It's not about what people have done in the name of their religion. Anybody can claim to be a Christian or a Muslim and then do whatever they wish. It's about what the religion teaches and what its scriptures say. Christianity teaches peace. Islam teaches war. That's the difference.

I researched the Q'uran and other Islamic teachings for years. Mohammed taught his followers to conquer the World using whatever means available whether it be by force or by deceit. The Muslim god, Allah expects Muslims to do this. They have the full blessings of their god to lie to non-Muslims in order to achieve their goals. Unlike Jesus, Mohammed did not live an exemplary life. Mohammed was a murderer a bandit, a thief, and a rapist. The fruits of Islam are a direct result of the teachings of this false prophet.

 

Thank you

[1to3]

Since we do have a Muslim here on this Worthy site;

 

I certainly would like to welcome and hear Wanderers opinion .

And I very much appreciated his blog on the topic "What do you like most about Christianity."

 

So Wanderer, if you are reading this, what is your opinion about this blog:

"Islam is the most Violent Religion in the World, But let's keep Calling it 'Peaceful' Anyway."

 

 

(corrected my spelling)

Edited January 9, 2015 by 1to3

[1to3]

In other news, last week Islamist insurgents murdered 2000 black people in Nigeria:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30728158

 

The teenage girls in the Yazidi slave market couldn't be reached for comment,

Edited January 8, 2015 by 1to3

[MorningGlory]

But through out history, the times of inquisition and crusades and other, did they not also, so called Christians, in the name of Christianity also force people to convert and if not kill them?

 

I think that the  people in history who in the name of Christianity killed those who did not convert to Christianity or those who did not look sincere about their conversion

also did something very wrong and sinful.

 

People can bring the same argument about christian a religion of peace who have used force to instill their belief system.

 

 In the past Christians and Muslims did fight for dominance over their religions and as we can see continue to do so.

 

Now it is the radical Muslims who seek dominance at all cost.

 

It is really pure evil at work , but so called Christians of the past where not much better and if they did not repent for their evil doing,

will also be held accountable.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

No, they sure don't.  And dredging up the standard muslim apologist argument that 'Christians did it too' is irrelevant; especially since that was centuries ago.  What is your point in doing so?

[JustinM]

quote 1to3:  "It has happened already that in every day conversation with a Jewish person or a Muslim person about things like violence and such; that they have brought up those periods of time to say that Christians really are no better than others when it comes to doing atrocious things to defend and impose their beliefs"

 

The biggest difference with this, is that happened when the world was a much less civil place than it is today, and despite the incivility of those times, the age of enlightenment occurred and Western Civilization was born.

 

Several hundred years later, muslims, who have been more oppressed and brutalized by other muslims than by the west during that time, have decided to wage a war against the West and some are trying to use the Crusades to justify it?  And this so-called Jewish person, what does he know?  The Crusades were fought to drive the muslims out of Jerusalem.  When did Christians and Jews ever wage war against each other?

 

Muslims are fortunate that the West isn't as violent as they are, there wouldn't be a mecca if it was.  But, they are trying the West's patience.

[Qnts2]

quote 1to3:  "It has happened already that in every day conversation with a Jewish person or a Muslim person about things like violence and such; that they have brought up those periods of time to say that Christians really are no better than others when it comes to doing atrocious things to defend and impose their beliefs"

 

The biggest difference with this, is that happened when the world was a much less civil place than it is today, and despite the incivility of those times, the age of enlightenment occurred and Western Civilization was born.

 

Several hundred years later, muslims, who have been more oppressed and brutalized by other muslims than by the west during that time, have decided to wage a war against the West and some are trying to use the Crusades to justify it?  And this so-called Jewish person, what does he know?  The Crusades were fought to drive the muslims out of Jerusalem.  When did Christians and Jews ever wage war against each other?

 

Muslims are fortunate that the West isn't as violent as they are, there wouldn't be a mecca if it was.  But, they are trying the West's patience.

 

Just some comments.

 

I personally do not understand appealing to a 'less civil' time period. People are to keep certain laws, based on the scriptures. God did not change the law because it was 3000 years ago, or a mere 800 years ago. God, who created people, gave a code of conduct and apparenty did not think that what year it was, had anything to do with the expectation that people should adhere to certain behavior

 

In otherwords, it doesn't matter if it was 1200 ce, or 2000 ce, similar poor conduct is still poor conduct and wrong.  

 

The truth is that people, in the name of Jesus, have done atrocious things to others. It was not just the crusades which were done in the name of Jesus, but it was also the inquisition. And, Nazis would attack the Jewish people calling them Christ killers, (invoking Jesus while torturing). Today, we have groups like the KKK, who invoke Jesus name. White supremists who invoke Jesus name. To those who are not Christians, and are abused by people using Jesus, they have no way to determine, are these real Christians or not. Since they use Jesus name, to those outside of Christianity, they are Christians.  

 

About the best way to answer someone who is saying Christianity is just as bad is to agree, that there were people who did not follow the teachings of Jesus, yet used Jesus name while violating what Jesus stood for and why He came and what He taught. Those Christians were not following the teachings of Jesus and were absolutely wrong.

[Babbler]

The one thing I like about the Bible is its teaching about false teachers and prophets. It is so simple, you will know them by their deeds and lusts. Muhammad: a murderer and thief. Fails the test as a prophet. Joseph Smith: an lustful and greedy. Fails the test as a prophet.  

[OakWood]

The one thing I like about the Bible is its teaching about false teachers and prophets. It is so simple, you will know them by their deeds and lusts. Muhammad: a murderer and thief. Fails the test as a prophet. Joseph Smith: an lustful and greedy. Fails the test as a prophet.  

 

It's so simple in fact (where Islam is concerned) that you don't even have to do a test. Mohammed appeared around five hundred years after Jesus, yet there are still foolish Christians who believe that Muslims worship the same God that we do just because Islamic scripture mentions the name 'Jesus' now and again.

So tell me, where does the Bible prophecise that somebody would come after Jesus? Do the gospels say that Jesus was Lord and son of God, but ooh, wait a minute, another guy will come along later and be better than Jesus? No, they don't. In fact they warn us against false prophets and tell us to be wary of anybody who claims to be the Messiah.

Christians rarely fall for the lies of David Koresh, Rev Jim Jones or any other lunatic claiming divinity, so why are some of them embracing Islam? Do they not know even the basics of scripture?

This is not serious 'rocket science' Biblical scholarship, this is just basic knowledge - it's Sunday school stuff!

You don't need to know anything about Islam to know that this religion is a lie and a cult and you only need to understand basic Bible stuff to realise that too.

[JustinM]

quote Qnts2:  "I personally do not understand appealing to a 'less civil' time period."

 

I don't believe in advocating collective condemnation of the Church for what happened hundreds of years ago.  Make no mistake about it, the middle ages, dark ages, whatever you want to call it were given that name for a reason, because of the barbarity of the times.  muslims don't get a pass for behaving uncivilized because the Christians and Jews were too, well I got news for you, 400 AD and up until now, islamists have been very violent and uncivilized towards their enemies and themselves.  It is time to stop coddling them and force them to get with the times.  If they can't live in peace with the rest of the world, they will have to rest in peace.