Biblical Time keeping

[The_Patriot21]

If your talking about Hebrews 2:17 the Hebrew word there translates as dying or shalt die. Which would be an accurate statement because realistically were all slowly dying from the day we are born.

Regardless of whether that is a spiritual death or a physical death or both that passage is speaking of, you have yet to show where in the bible death is a good thing, physical or otherwise.

[alphaparticle]

Gen 2:17

"...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

[wingnut-]

If your talking about Hebrews 2:17 the Hebrew word there translates as dying or shalt die. Which would be an accurate statement because realistically were all slowly dying from the day we are born.

Regardless of whether that is a spiritual death or a physical death or both that passage is speaking of, you have yet to show where in the bible death is a good thing, physical or otherwise.

 

 

While I agree with your position, this argument in particular is flawed.  Spiritual death is presented throughout scripture as a negative thing, but the New Testament does not present physical death as a bad thing at all.  In fact, it is presented as something we should look forward to, as when it happens we will be with our Savior.

 

 

II Corinthians 5:⁶ Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— ⁷ for we walk by faith, not by sight— ⁸ we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

[The_Patriot21]

For the Christian yes wing, to an extent your right, but its still viewed as being negative overall-especially for those who are not saved. Death is something that God promises to defeat, the last enemy, as has been mentioned before. It would not be listed as the last enemy if it was good. The only good thing about death to a Christian is that they get to go to heaven and live forever, in a place where there is no death and no pain. Its not that death itself is a good thing, its what comes after, that is a good thing.

[wingnut-]

Yes, I agree that is for the Christian, for an unbeliever death is not a good thing in either circumstance.  But the people you are debating with are Christians, so that argument doesn't hold up against their personal beliefs.  That is all I was pointing out.

[The_Patriot21]

Whether it holds up to personal beliefs isn't my concern, I realize that otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion-the point of any debate is to away either the other party or onlookers to your side. I believe my way of looking at it to be accurate, hence why I am holding to it. :-)

[Kan]

I don't see where that's biblical either kan. Sorry, but I don't see that in scripture.

 

The pair were banned from eating the fruit of the tree of life, after they sinned. It had 12 seasons of fruit in a year, one type of fruit for each month. Genesis 3:22-24. Revelation 22:2. This tells us that eating the fruit gives immortality. If you only had to eat of it once, then it would not have the variety or the renewal of fruit each month.

[Kan]

Adam and Eve were told by God that they would die in the day that they disobeyed.

In the afternoon, God came to the garden as usual to spend time with them, but they hid themselves.

They did not die that day, because the Lord came to them with a plan of salvation - a plan to save them through the incarnation and death of the Son for humanity.

Had this plan not been in place before He came to the garden, they would have died.

 

Revelation 13:8 shows that the Godhead had made a sacrifice in the beginning, just as much as Abraham was in total agony, as well as hope, about the bid for a sacrifice of his own son long before he raised the knife.

[Kan]

 

If your talking about Hebrews 2:17 the Hebrew word there translates as dying or shalt die. Which would be an accurate statement because realistically were all slowly dying from the day we are born.

Regardless of whether that is a spiritual death or a physical death or both that passage is speaking of, you have yet to show where in the bible death is a good thing, physical or otherwise.

 

 

While I agree with your position, this argument in particular is flawed.  Spiritual death is presented throughout scripture as a negative thing, but the New Testament does not present physical death as a bad thing at all.  In fact, it is presented as something we should look forward to, as when it happens we will be with our Savior.

 

 

II Corinthians 5:⁶ Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— ⁷ for we walk by faith, not by sight— ⁸ we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

 

 

This text is used by some to prove that in heaven we don't have a body, but this is not what Paul is saying at all, otherwise we would be contradicting the bodily resurrection of Christ. What is more Paul teaches that the corruptible body will be incorporated into the new body,the two become one, so that "death is swallowed up in victory."

 

Paul here is saying that he would rather be in heaven without a body than on earth with one. He is saying that heaven is so rewarding that if you were in a wheel chair it would still be a hundred times better than earth, because you are with Love itself - God.

 

And so far as death is concerned, God hates it - physical or spiritual. But a spiritual death is the cause of a physical one, but God has given life to the world instead, that all may become spiritually alive again, and inherit a new physical world.

 

Once we introduce the fables of Disney into the Bible - such as ghosts and fog heaven, then there is no end to the bizarre picture.