Pets, Idolatry, and our current state of affairs.

[The_Patriot21]

 

I don't even see anywhere where it says animals will be in heaven.

Isaiah 11:6 ; 65:25

 

[Qnts2]

 

Animals are called 'nephesh" in Gen. 2:19.  It refers to breath or can refer to a soul.   The soul is not the spirit.  Those are not necessarily interchangeable, theologically.  The Bible tells us that man is spirit, soul and body.    The Bible never declares animals that way.   They have at best, a soul, namely a mind, will and emotions but on a far more limited level than humanity.  Their minds do think abstractly, they don't reason, but live mostly on instinct.   Some animals are smarter than others, but when they die and stop breathing their soul dies as well.  They cease to exist.  They are not created anywhere close to how we are created.  They are not made in God's image. 

No Genesis does not indicate that animals could possibly have a soul.Animals were not made in the image of God humans were .So I think that saying that animals have a soul is speculation.There could possibly be animals in the New Earth.

 

 

Well, that is interesting. In Hebrew, scripture very clearly says that animals are living souls multiple times.

 

But, what makes you think that a soul makes something in the image of God? I do not see having or being a soul is the same as being in the image of God.

[missmuffet]

 

 

I don't even see anywhere where it says animals will be in heaven.

Isaiah 11:6 ; 65:25

 

 

You are right.I looked at those verses and studied them again as I often do with my notes,books and a couple of on line ministries and I found that the sheep and the lamb is not what I thought it was.It is not a literal sheep and lamb.I am often wrong.I can get an uneasy feeling about something I have posted sometimes.I always pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide me as I am on a Christian message board.To put the true word of God on my mind and at my fingertips.

[missmuffet]

 

 

Animals are called 'nephesh" in Gen. 2:19.  It refers to breath or can refer to a soul.   The soul is not the spirit.  Those are not necessarily interchangeable, theologically.  The Bible tells us that man is spirit, soul and body.    The Bible never declares animals that way.   They have at best, a soul, namely a mind, will and emotions but on a far more limited level than humanity.  Their minds do think abstractly, they don't reason, but live mostly on instinct.   Some animals are smarter than others, but when they die and stop breathing their soul dies as well.  They cease to exist.  They are not created anywhere close to how we are created.  They are not made in God's image. 

No Genesis does not indicate that animals could possibly have a soul.Animals were not made in the image of God humans were .So I think that saying that animals have a soul is speculation.There could possibly be animals in the New Earth.

 

 

Well, that is interesting. In Hebrew, scripture very clearly says that animals are living souls multiple times.

 

But, what makes you think that a soul makes something in the image of God? I do not see having or being a soul is the same as being in the image of God.

 

What is Hebrew scripture?How does it compare to accuracy to the Holy Bible?What verses in Hebrew scripture is very clear that animals have living souls?

[Guest shiloh357]

Qnts is talking about the Hebrew text of Genesis.   In the original Hebrew, Gen. 2:19 refers to "creatures"  by the word nephesh.  It is the word for "soul" when referring to Adam as a living soul.   Some scholars argue that animals have "souls" in that like man albeit, in a limited way have a mind, will an emotions.   Your soul is not your spirit or you heart.   The soul is not only the seat of your intellect but of your will and emotions.

[missmuffet]

Qnts is talking about the Hebrew text of Genesis.   In the original Hebrew, Gen. 2:19 refers to "creatures"  by the word nephesh.  It is the word for "soul" when referring to Adam as a living soul.   Some scholars argue that animals have "souls" in that like man albeit, in a limited way have a mind, will an emotions.   Your soul is not your spirit or you heart.   The soul is not only the seat of your intellect but of your will and emotions.

I am only going on the Holy Bible.The scholars argue about a lot of issues.

[The_Patriot21]

@ Bopeep, simple is referring to the original text, the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the New testament was mostly written in greek. The Hebrew Bible, is basically your Bible, your Bible is just a translation of it.

 

simple-your suggesting that those that don't understand hebrew will never understand Gods word, that the english translations are somehow incomplete, and I tell you, that is a FALSE teaching. God promises to preserve His word, so that ALL may come to understand Him and come to know Him, not just the jews. Furthermore, the salvation message-which is what gives us access to Gods grace-was written in GREEK, with some portions in aramaic. very little, if any, of the NT was ever written in hebrew. You do not need to understand hebrew-or greek, to know God, or to know what the Bible teaches. Studying the original hebrew and greek may indeed help us grow in Christ, but it is not essential. None of the meaning of the Bible was lost in translation, at least not with the more literal translations.

[missmuffet]

@ Bopeep, simple is referring to the original text, the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the New testament was mostly written in greek. The Hebrew Bible, is basically your Bible, your Bible is just a translation of it.

 

simple-your suggesting that those that don't understand hebrew will never understand Gods word, that the english translations are somehow incomplete, and I tell you, that is a FALSE teaching. God promises to preserve His word, so that ALL may come to understand Him and come to know Him, not just the jews. Furthermore, the salvation message-which is what gives us access to Gods grace-was written in GREEK, with some portions in aramaic. very little, if any, of the NT was ever written in hebrew. You do not need to understand hebrew-or greek, to know God, or to know what the Bible teaches. Studying the original hebrew and greek may indeed help us grow in Christ, but it is not essential. None of the meaning of the Bible was lost in translation, at least not with the more literal translations.

So when Qnts2 was referring to Hebrew scripture she was referring to the OT?

 

"Well, that is interesting. In Hebrew, scripture very clearly says that animals are living souls multiple times."

[LadyKay]

 

The fact is that heaven is not going to be anything like we have now.   We are led to think that what we enjoy down here, will be waiting for us there and that shows just how little we understand heaven.

 

It's like comparing fun of Disney Land with making mud pies by the curb.

It must be wonderful to be so knowing about what heaven is going to be like. So I guess from what you are saying there will be no tress, no grass and no rainbows in heaven. So if you was all so knowing which you are making yourself out to be, just what can you tell us will be in heaven?

 

Please note that my ideals about heaven are just that. Ideals. Nowhere have I said that this is by fact how it will be. Again I see no harm or sin in wondering what heaven will be like. But you are making it sound like we are a bunch of emotionally disturbed people because we are simply using our imaginations. It is fine to disagree. You do not think there will be dogs, and cats in heaven. Well that is fine. You can simply disagree with my thoughts on it. But do not make out like you are so much better then the rest of us who think other wise. I will know for sure what heaven is like when I get there. Until then I feel I am free to daydream about how it could be without being made to feel like I am less then someone else.

[missmuffet]

 

 

The fact is that heaven is not going to be anything like we have now.   We are led to think that what we enjoy down here, will be waiting for us there and that shows just how little we understand heaven.

 

It's like comparing fun of Disney Land with making mud pies by the curb.

It must be wonderful to be so knowing about what heaven is going to be like. So I guess from what you are saying there will be no tress, no grass and no rainbows in heaven. So if you was all so knowing which you are making yourself out to be, just what can you tell us will be in heaven?

 

Please note that my ideals about heaven are just that. Ideals. Nowhere have I said that this is by fact how it will be. Again I see no harm or sin in wondering what heaven will be like. But you are making it sound like we are a bunch of emotionally disturbed people because we are simply using our imaginations. It is fine to disagree. You do not think there will be dogs, and cats in heaven. Well that is fine. You can simply disagree with my thoughts on it. But do not make out like you are so much better then the rest of us who think other wise. I will know for sure what heaven is like when I get there. Until then I feel I am free to daydream about how it could be without being made to feel like I am less then someone else.

 

That is fine to use your imagination.If that makes you happy you can believe that fiddo or your kitty will be in heaven then go for it.