Evidence of a 1000 years rest

[thereselittleflower]

inchrist I very much appreciated your post.      I am not actually arguing man needs satan to sin.   I was simply arguing in relationship to those who believe there will be no sin in the millennium because satan is bound for "a thousand years" and they believe the presence of sin now is proof he is not bound now.  I was using their logic to counter their logic.   Perhaps I did not make it as understandable as I had hoped.  

 

Was Lucifer absolutely necessary for our first parents to fall into sin?  I can't say.

 

But from that point on, all have been born with a wounded human nature inclined to sin.   We need no help to sin.

[thereselittleflower]

Now, your mixing genres.  Satan is literally bound and cast into the abyss for 1,000 years.  There is no symbolism in that text (except what you and littleflower try to manufacture.

 

The Psalmist speaking figuratively about his emotional state.   There is a difference.  If you were a Bible believer, you would understand the difference.

 

 

There are many, many, many, many bible believers who just shake their heads at what you believe about end times.    

 

One's eschatology is not what defines one's christianity.

 

 

And this is where you do err.

 

 

 

Even the early chrsitians understood this Shiloh.    

[thereselittleflower]

sorry but that's just not true.   as several posters have pointed out, simply and from scripture, in the last few weeks,

and as no one anywhere who agrees with the very wrong roman doctrines and practices can clear anything up,....

instead

of clearing things up,  it just becomes more and more confused and in error whenever a

very wrong roman belief or practice is advocated, held to, or given any credit.

the roman group has been the most vicious persecutor of the true believers

ever since constantine and all over the world right up to today.

 

stick with simple scripture,  and don't fall for any of those errors.

 

I find it strange you and shiloh are the only ones bringing up the Catholic Church.

 

 

No one else is talking about it.

[Guest shiloh357]

Actually, one's eschatology says a lot about one's Christianity.

[thereselittleflower]

Actually, one's eschatology says a lot about one's Christianity.

 

Only to those who eschatology dictates their christianity.    Fortunately, those for whom it does so are very few in number.

[missmuffet]

 

Now, your mixing genres.  Satan is literally bound and cast into the abyss for 1,000 years.  There is no symbolism in that text (except what you and littleflower try to manufacture.

 

The Psalmist speaking figuratively about his emotional state.   There is a difference.  If you were a Bible believer, you would understand the difference.

 

 

There are many, many, many, many bible believers who just shake their heads at what you believe about end times.    

 

One's eschatology is not what defines one's christianity.

 

 

And this is where you do err.

 

 

 

Even the early chrsitians understood this Shiloh.    

 

You do not even believe in most of the book of Revelation because you are Amillennial or preterist.Shiloh believes in the book of Revelation.If anyone has something to worry about it is you littleflower.Just read the book of Revelation literally if you doubt my words that is how God intended for the Bible to be read.Jesus read the Bible literally so why shouldn't we?

[thereselittleflower]

 

 

Now, your mixing genres.  Satan is literally bound and cast into the abyss for 1,000 years.  There is no symbolism in that text (except what you and littleflower try to manufacture.

 

The Psalmist speaking figuratively about his emotional state.   There is a difference.  If you were a Bible believer, you would understand the difference.

 

 

There are many, many, many, many bible believers who just shake their heads at what you believe about end times.    

 

One's eschatology is not what defines one's christianity.

 

 

And this is where you do err.

 

 

 

Even the early chrsitians understood this Shiloh.    

 

You do not even believe in most of the book of Revelation because you are Amillennial or preterist.Shiloh believes in the book of Revelation.If anyone has something to worry about it is you littleflower.Just read the book of Revelation literally if you doubt my words that is how God intended for the Bible to be read.Jesus read the Bible literally so why shouldn't we?

 

 

 

I did so for over 30 years Bopeep.    I learned I was wrong to do so.

[Guest shiloh357]

Eschatology reveals a lot about where a person's faith rests.   Eschatology is not a peripheral matter.  It is intimately connected to church doctrine including holiness.  It is also connected to the integrity, infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture.

 

Those who hold to amillennial or preterist positions generally do not place much stock in the inerrancy or infallibility of Scripture.  For them, the Bible doesn't really mean what it says, and everything is up for interpretation.   They rely on subjective opinions, human traditions and they filter the Bible through those traditions.

 

The book of Revelation makes a hard connection with the Gospel.   Your approach to Revelation diminishes the Gospel presentation it makes.  Revelation is not about satisfying our curiosity about the future.   If that were its goal, it failed.   The purpose of Revelation is to present the Gospel in the light of Christ's return and it ends with one final invitation from Christ to the sinner to be saved. 

 

Your treatment of Revelation is filtered through unbiblical traditions and not through sound doctrine.  In addition, eschatology pivots on how one views Israel in the last days.  Given the anti-Semitic spirit of your views on Israel in other threads, we get a good glimpse of your "Christianity"   which amounts to a wholesale rejection of the plain teachings of Scripture.

 

Those who don't care about eschatology, generally speaking, do not live devoted Christian lives.   You will never find a true follower of Jesus who doesn't long for Christ's return.   So yes, there are several ways a person's eschatology will reflect their Christian profession of faith, or lack thereof.

[thereselittleflower]

Even in the early church, shiloh, when chiliiasm was held to by some in the 2nd century, it never defined one's christian faith.

 

Justin Martyr, who was a chiliast made a very clear statement about those who did not believe as he did

 

 

 

"many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise" 

 

 

Chapter LXXX.—The opinion of Justin with regard to the reign of a thousand years. 

 

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.lxxx.html

 

 

 

 

Holding to any form of premillennialism was never a test of authentic christianity until very modern times and only in small groups, which apparently you run in.

 

 

You err greatly.

 

Why do you keep usurping the role of God by sitting in judgment over the lives of other people?

[Sister]

 

Isaiah 61:1   The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

  Isaiah 61:2   To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

  Isaiah 61:3   To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

  Isaiah 61:4   And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
SPIRITUAL WASTE PLACES WHERE THERE WAS NO TRUTH.  THESE FORMER DESOLATIONS WILL BE REPAIRED.

 

  Isaiah 61:5   And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
THE RESURRECTED SAINTS ARE THE "STRANGERS".  THEY WILL FEED ISRAEL WITH TRUTH.

  Isaiah 61:6   But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

ISRAEL WILL BE THE PRIESTS OF THE LORD, AND MINISTERS OF GOD.  THE RICHES OF THE GENTILES THEY SHALL EAT IS WHAT THE SAINTS HAVE EATEN ...TRUTH. THE WILL FEED ON TRUTH NOW.  THEY WILL BOAST IN THE GENTILES GLORY (THE RESURRECTED SAINTS) BECAUSE THEY HEARD THE WORD OF THE LORD AND WERE ACCEPTED.  THEIR GLORY IS THE LAMB OF GOD.

Edited August 19, 2015 by Sister