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It all has to do with your belief system. If you decided early in your system's development that you are either post or pre trib. Our tendency is to accept what ever interpretation will fit the narrative of our belief system. Thus when the versions translated from the Textus Receptus (KJV) indicate scripture that supports heavily a pre-tribulation resurrect and rapture, ...well if you've made up your mind to believe the post tribulation view, well then you are forced to have problems with the Textus Receptus translated versions. Thus we change "us" to something other than "us", so it really doesn't mean "us", and we can then make it really mean anything but "us", and now our narrative of our belief system is saved. The 24 elders or now "not redeemed men", and we don't have to answer the question of.......... "are they before the throne of God before the 1st seal is opened"....Whew!! 

This is why so many versions exist. It is because the translations from the Textus Receptus didn't fit the narrative of many view points. The main narratives coming from the translations from Origen's 5th Column, didn't believe in the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, a resurrection and rapture, and the sanctity of the blood. So as the studies have shown, throughout the text, words where added and/or changed, and in many cases whole passages were completely left out of the translations because they did not fit the narrative of ones belief system. This is why any particular version is chosen. If your version doesn't say what you want it to say, just keep looking until you find one that does, translations from Origen's 5th column come in many varieties. 

Satan has always twisted scripture to his own means. So why do some people want versions that lessen who Christ is, and what He has done, or condition some to believe His promises aren't necessarily true....."oh ye shall not surely die".......

I choose the translations from the Textus Receptus, and I will stick with "us"

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Grace and peace of our lord Jesus Christ.

To understand who are the twenty-four elders, it is necessary to analyze the their features.

First: they are always seen praising the Eternal:

 

·         “The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,” (Revelation 4.10).

·         “And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [ and ] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” (Revelation 5.8).

·         “And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [ and ] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.” (Revelation 5.14)

·         “And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,” (Revelation 11.16).

·         “And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.” (Revelation 19.4).

 

Second: they have golden crown, that is, they are kings.

Besides, twenty-four represent the number of courses in that was shared the priesthood (1Chr 24.7-18). Therefore, these twenty-four ancients was kings and priests which objective was to fall down and praise yourself before the Eternal to minister to Him.

In accordance with this description, there is two groups that fit into this category: the twelve tribes of Israel (Exo 19.6) and the twelve apostles that constitute the church’s foundation (Rev 1.6; 5.10), totalizing twenty-four elders.

That the twelve apostles compose the group of elders, be sufficient to see the Christ’s promise:

 

·         “And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Mathew 19.28).

 

But, and as for elders from Israel? Although I don’t know precisely who are, here's the list of the probable candidates:

 

·         Enoch (Gen 5.22-24).

·         Elijah (2Kings 2.11,12).

·         Abraham (Exo 3.15)

·         Isaac (Exo 3.15)

·         Jacob (Exo 3.15)

·         Joshua (Num 27.18)

·         Davi (Ps 51.11; Eze 34.23,24; Hos 3.5)

·         Moises (Jer 15.1)

·         Samuel (Jer 15.1)

·         Noah (Eze 14.14)

·         Daniel (Eze 14.14)

·         Job (Eze 14.14)

 

They represent that that get to have direct contact with the Eternal, to hear His voice, to have intimacy with Him and to be guided by Him. The Eternal himself put them in evidence.

Together, the elders constitute the Church's representative before Christ’s coming to the world and after this.

Make it clear: they aren’t the Church, but her representative.

May Jesus bless you.

 

Leonardo Von Dolinger de Brito.

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