Littlelambseativy Posted July 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2016 Your Closest Friend, Can you give the Book, Chapter and verse in the Old Testament where it says that God cannot give life to anyone. David specifically states that he knows he will yet see God...yet he died. He has the hope of eternal life because he knows he had a Redeemer, the Son of God. Two others who do live yet did not die are Enoch and Elijah . Therefore God is the God of the living, today and forever if we put our trust in Him. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus lives because He did not die but overcame/ defeated death, because of the curse placed on man in the Garden of Eden because he did not obey God's word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2016 X 3 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said: Your Closest Friend, Can you give the Book, Chapter and verse in the Old Testament where it says that God cannot give life to anyone. David specifically states that he knows he will yet see God...yet he died. He has the hope of eternal life because he knows he had a Redeemer, the Son of God. Two others who do live yet did not die are Enoch and Elijah . Therefore God is the God of the living, today and forever if we put our trust in Him. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus lives because He did not die but overcame/ defeated death, because of the curse placed on man in the Garden of Eden because he did not obey God's word. If God can give life, we do not need the Christ. That's why the promise was made about the Christ, who will come and give life, because God couldn't give life, the people were separated from him, all people had death, from their Father Adam, even the children of Abraham including him self had the death of Adam in them. Review the meaning of life and or death within this context, so we are on the same page. God never said he can remove the death in people and give them of his Spirit, the testimony of God that they are in his Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2016 13 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: X If God can give life, we do not need the Christ. That's why the promise was made about the Christ, who will come and give life, because God couldn't give life, the people were separated from him, all people had death, from their Father Adam, even the children of Abraham including him self had the death of Adam in them. Review the meaning of life and or death within this context, so we are on the same page. God never said he can remove the death in people and give them of his Spirit, the testimony of God that they are in his Life. God IS Jesus, jesus IS God. Not sure what the point of your statement is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Ezra said: The repentant thief on the cross is just one example. The thief never received the Spirit of God as a witness that he is one with God. 4 hours ago, Ezra said: That is very strange talk, since God says that He is not the God of the dead but of the living, and that implies eternal life. No one had the eternal life, not even Jesus. He was the one to be, the Eternal Life or the Christ, or the Life giver, but only after his sacrifice on the Cross. If he was found without Sin, and he remain in the Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2016 X 20 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: God IS Jesus, jesus IS God. Not sure what the point of your statement is. You are missing the substance of the matter. Look carefully, in the good news of the Gospel, God couldn't have children of his Spirit, children with his Life in them. The born from above. The Christ will Redeemed, bye them with his blood, For that to happen he must die first. Jesus died on the Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted July 16, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2016 Blessings Yown... Well,I forgive you & forgive me too because I was not about read 16 pages either-lol No problem,I have no idea who resurfaced this thread from SEpt 2015 but it is going again,although it has taken a different & unexpected turn..... Quote On 7/9/2016 at 1:00 PM, MorningGlory said: God IS Jesus, jesus IS God. Not sure what the point of your statement is. You are missing the substance of the matter. Look carefully, in the good news of the Gospel, God couldn't have children of his Spirit, children with his Life in them. The born from above. The Christ will Redeemed, bye them with his blood, For that to happen he must die first. Jesus died on the Cross. posted by your closest friendnt I'm not sure what this means,also another comment about God not being able to give life? Quote Can you give the Book, Chapter and verse in the Old Testament where it says that God cannot give life to anyone. Lambsy asked to see the verse of Scripture for the above statement,,,,,there is none God most certainly does give LIFE,He breathed the Breath of Life into Adam when He Created & as Lambsy also stated the accounts of both Enoch & Elijah who never saw physical death...... I think the confusion here may be that friendnt is trying to explain that we could not have the Helper be with us ,indwell us without Jesus Death & Resurrection,make no mistake friendnt,God is ABLE to do ALL things,,,,,,but this was how He made the Way for us BELIEVERS to Receive His Grace,Jesus Finished Work on the Cross to pay our penalty,for the Forgiveness of our sins by the shedding of His Blood & through our Faith we are Saved by His Grace,,,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2016 9 hours ago, kwikphilly said: Blessings Yown... Well,I forgive you & forgive me too because I was not about read 16 pages either-lol No problem,I have no idea who resurfaced this thread from SEpt 2015 but it is going again,although it has taken a different & unexpected turn..... I'm not sure what this means,also another comment about God not being able to give life? Blessings Kwik, God the FATHER has never given life to anyone. He was not the one who gave life to Adam. The Christ to be, he was the one who created everything and man also, he was the one who gave life to Adam. God the FATHER had only one Son, that what he said at the Baptism of Jesus. Jesus who was the only one and the first one out of the Garden with the life of God in him. God did not have to give life to Jesus, he was born with it, he brought the life he had before with him. During his baptism, we see that the Heavens open and the Holy Spirit of God found the only one who had the life of God in him. That was The first time the Spirit of God was given to a man, the next time it was on the day of Pentecost, it was given to the children who had the eternal life of Jesus Christ in them. You can see that God the FATHER has never given life to no man. The Christ to be was the one who gave life to Adam, and after he died on the Cross he gives life by adaptation to every one who believes in him. As he is we are, he will have the life in him eternally, and so do we, we are his adapted children, we sin and we disobey but we still remain in his life, the life of God. This is eternal life, even thought we sin, we still remain in his life, the life eternal. Sin can not give us death any more. Denial of Jesus as the Christ is Death. But we believe. We are sinners with the eternal life in us. One with Jesus Christ. As long as we believe we will never be seperated from him. Jesus is our righteousness and our eternal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2016 On 7/9/2016 at 9:12 AM, Littlelambseativy said: Your Closest Friend, Can you give the Book, Chapter and verse in the Old Testament where it says that God cannot give life to anyone. The Christ to be it was the one who gave life to Adam, and was known later on as the Lord God of the Jews (Israelites). And he gave only life to one Man, Adam and to no one else after the Fall, to no one. It was not God the FATHER. On 7/9/2016 at 9:12 AM, Littlelambseativy said: David specifically states that he knows he will yet see God...yet he died. He has the hope of eternal life because he knows he had a Redeemer, the Son of God. David knew that his Lord God is the Christ to be. And he also had the revelation of God the Father, because he said the Lord ( God the FATHER), said to my Lord (his Lord God). Sit to my right on the Throne of Heavens, he show the Glory of his Lord God as the Christ. David understood, that he can not be with his Lord God that time, that he has to go to Sheol, but one day the Christ to be (the Lord God), will come and take him out from there to be with him in his Glorious Heaven. But he had to wait, for him to go to Sheol , and take him out from there. David died without the life of Christ in him. His Lord God can not give him life, and he can not be his redeemer to redeemed him from the inherited death in him, abd from Sheol, till the time that as the Christ Jesus he died on the Cross. On 7/9/2016 at 9:12 AM, Littlelambseativy said: Two others who do live yet did not die are Enoch and Elijah . Therefore God is the God of the living, today and forever if we put our trust in Him. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus lives because He did not die but overcame/ defeated death, because of the curse placed on man in the Garden of Eden because he did not obey God's word. First of all, we have to distinguish those two people from the rest, and we may include Mosses, and we must. We must keep in mind that if the above people had died, they would go the way of David, and this is for more than one reason. They did not have the life in them, they were children of the fallen inheritance, they had death in them, And the other reason is that the man received a Heavenly inheritance only with Christ. Before Jesus Christ died there was only one inheritance for man when he died, and that was pointing only down, Sheol, Hades. God sent transportation for them and took them to Heaven before they died, it was sort of an abduction, that's the only way he could prevent then from going to Sheol, for the Devil to take them. If he had waited for them to live their bodies he can not take them anymore. The smell of death was upon them and not the aroma of life. The one who had the life, you can see that the FATHER did not sent transportation for him to go up in the Heavens, He went up just like that, he was Heavenly and that's where he came from, and that's where he went to his Glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2016 13 hours ago, Yowm said: Forgive me for not reading through 19 pages and for most likely repeating many other posts. The free gift was earned and is by works...His Work...a work we could not even begin to approach as far as meeting the needed demands for our forgiveness/reconciliation...thus it needed to be a free gift or else we perish. The eternal life is Jesus, when he lived on earth he had the life of God, and he was the eternal life to be, but not just yet.. Not before his death, because till the last moment he could disobey God and loose his own life just like Adam, and if that had happened we will loose our only hope for Heavens. Jesus after the Cross he can not sin, he will remain in the life for ever, eternally, thats why now is call the eternal life, and when we believe in him we receive from his life and his life is eternal. We sin, but not him, but even thought we sin we remain in his life, we don't die like the first Adam, for we adapted by him, as he is so we are. He is in the life, we are (sinners with the life of Jesus Christ in us). In the life, when we sin, we do not die we remain in the life, the children of the blood and the life of Jesus Christ. The redeemed by his blood. And we have the life of above, and an inheritance above, when we die we do not go down to Hell, we are going up to Heavens, if Jesus is in Heavens, let him stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted July 17, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2016 Blessings Friendnt..... Quote God the FATHER has never given life to anyone. I do understand what you are trying to say but I am not sure our readers will......however,there is a problem here What we MUST always Understand & acknowledge is that Jesus is God,so the Father ,the Son & the Holy Spirit are ALL Almighty God......I believe you may not grasp the GodHead Triune,though our God is ONE GOD,He is 3 Persons,God the Father,God the Son & God the Holy Spirit,,,,,this is why nothing that was made(given Life) was made without Him(Jesus) They were made THROUGH HiM(Jesus).......still,they are ONE GOD.....God indeed has given life.... Quote …2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.… John 1:2-4 With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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