Ghosts

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

Ok, what about the instances where these spirits help people or in some instances save a life? Those must be angels then, right?

Or I've seen reports of "people", not an apparition or ghost but an actual physical person, appearing on the scene of an accident and helping the injured, and then literally dissappearing. Godly Angels in that case?

Also, one more.    I've been told of a police report that states that officers were  called to a house because an older gentleman had been found dead in his bedroom. When they got there, an old guy answers the door and says yes, the body is in the back bedroom. The 2 officers go down the hallway, followed by this guy. When they reach the bedroom, they find the body of an old man lying on the bed. When they turn around, the man who let them in is gone. The kicker is, the man on the bed IS the man who let them in, same clothes and all.

This is a true story. I haven't seen the police report personally, but it is well known to have actually happened.

What would you all make of that? The feeling of those involved was he had died and just wanted to be found before he moved on. Now I know this doesn't jive with what the consensus is here on ghosts/spirits, so I'm wondering what you all think.

And thanks for all the responses! This is very interesting!!

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Big Steve, I can't help but think that the evil one used this as a possible distraction from Jesus. They (the Police) were instead put to think about the apparition, rather than any possible thoughts of an eternity with or without Jesus.

Just my thoughts. Anyone agree?

Faithie

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

it's like throwing an infant into the ocean... it don't know how to swim, and sooner or later somthing's going to eat it...

at the moment of death...

so few people have any idea how to control their spirit to make it, simply move in any given direction... thus... ya'll as a majority, can't swim where ghosts swim.

and since... if we were sinners, unsaved, who's going to be the boat to protect us from the sharks about after we die...

just some things to think, through.

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Student, we have our lives to decide WHERE we wish to go. If your line of thinking is to be followed then ghosts would be a continuation of the individual upon death. You just can't compare babies to ghosts, that is absurd Babies are innocent, cannot think for themselves and are new to the world, ghosts aka demons are very knoweldgeable, think and interact with the world and have been here since the fall, ie; longer that you'd realize. Jesus clearly and plainly said that we are either FOR Him or AGAINST Him. It doesn't take a genius to realize that demons who fled at the very thought of Him, would be against The Way, the Truth and the Life. Demons are deception and death, the inherrant opposite.

Faithie

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Good post, Whyso.

[Big Steve]

Wow, this has been very interesting and enlightening. I appreciate all the info everyone has shared. It brings up another question, but that will be a new post.

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

it's like throwing an infant into the ocean... it don't know how to swim, and sooner or later somthing's going to eat it...

at the moment of death...

so few people have any idea how to control their spirit to make it, simply move in any given direction... thus... ya'll as a majority, can't swim where ghosts swim.

and since... if we were sinners, unsaved, who's going to be the boat to protect us from the sharks about after we die...

just some things to think, through.

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Student, we have our lives to decide WHERE we wish to go. If your line of thinking is to be followed then ghosts would be a continuation of the individual upon death. You just can't compare babies to ghosts, that is absurd Babies are innocent, cannot think for themselves and are new to the world, ghosts aka demons are very knoweldgeable, think and interact with the world and have been here since the fall, ie; longer that you'd realize. Jesus clearly and plainly said that we are either FOR Him or AGAINST Him. It doesn't take a genius to realize that demons who fled at the very thought of Him, would be against The Way, the Truth and the Life. Demons are deception and death, the inherrant opposite.

Faithie

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yes and the babies i refer to are the human souls at the point of death, save a few, who have had any shred of experience in that realm to begin with.

the analogy holds true, you just misinterpted what i was saying

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It says somewhere in Scripture that God takes care of the souls who have not met the Lord or who are infants (encompassing the mentally disabled) so therefore this again does not hold water.

Faithie

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it's like throwing an infant into the ocean... it don't know how to swim, and sooner or later somthing's going to eat it...

at the moment of death...

so few people have any idea how to control their spirit to make it, simply move in any given direction... thus... ya'll as a majority, can't swim where ghosts swim.

and since... if we were sinners, unsaved, who's going to be the boat to protect us from the sharks about after we die...

just some things to think, through.

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Student, we have our lives to decide WHERE we wish to go. If your line of thinking is to be followed then ghosts would be a continuation of the individual upon death. You just can't compare babies to ghosts, that is absurd Babies are innocent, cannot think for themselves and are new to the world, ghosts aka demons are very knoweldgeable, think and interact with the world and have been here since the fall, ie; longer that you'd realize. Jesus clearly and plainly said that we are either FOR Him or AGAINST Him. It doesn't take a genius to realize that demons who fled at the very thought of Him, would be against The Way, the Truth and the Life. Demons are deception and death, the inherrant opposite.

Faithie

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yes and the babies i refer to are the human souls at the point of death, save a few, who have had any shred of experience in that realm to begin with.

the analogy holds true, you just misinterpted what i was saying

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It says somewhere in Scripture that God takes care of the souls who have not met the Lord or who are infants (encompassing the mentally disabled) so therefore this again does not hold water.

Faithie

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I believe in angels, not ghosts.

[Budman]

A good c/p on the topic:

The Bible says that one third of the angels rebelled against God. Satan (Lucifer) was the angel in charge of this rebellion. These angels were punished by being banished from heaven.

Satan hates man. Man has a relationship with God that angels could never have. Man was made in the image and likeness of God. Satan is jealous of this and hates us for it. He wants to deceive human kind into rejecting God, so that man will share the same punishment that he is destined for.

Satan knows that one single lie wont be effective in deceiving everyone. So he came up with several. Some men would be deceived by Ghosts and reincarnation. Others would adopt an evolutionary philosophy, that the world created itself without God. Others would be deceived into believing in pagan gods, etc...

I believe (and the Bible says) that Satan sends fallen angels to earth to deceive us. Satan wants us to doubt the existence of God. He wants man to share in his punishment.

Part of this deception is the appearance of "ghosts". Satan wants man to believe that these are the spirits of people who have died. That they have overcome the chains of death and returned.

This is opposite of what the Bible says happens when we die. By being presented with these spirits one tends to question if the Biblical destination after death is the correct one. Because if ghosts exist, then clearly heaven does not.

The truth is these "ghosts" are not the spirits of men and women, but rather fallen angels masquerading as our loved ones.

If man believes that he becomes a ghost or is reincarnated at death, he will exclude the possibility of heaven as his eternal home and God as his Father.

Some "ghosts" have appeared to humans claiming that they want to "help" them. They posses a knowledge that only that person could know. Which is convincing to the person involved.

But what that person fails to realize is that angels have existed since God created the world. Angels are "older" than us, and older than our loved ones. They can easily retain knowledge about that persons life that "only they could know".

2 Corinthians 11:14 tells us that Satan and his angels are able to disguise themselves as helpful spirits.

They Can Sound Spiritual. Christians need to avoid so called "divine or spirit-guides." God has given us His Word to guide us and not personal divine messengers. Demons masquerade as angels of light.

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Again, 2 Cor. 11:14

Demons will quote scripture (Matt. 4:1-11) and they can pronounce Jesus' name. It is error to believe that demons cannot and will not pronounce Jesus name.

"And just then there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, saying,

[Guest koni]

I do not believe in ghosts. I believe there are familiar spirits, or the demonic if you will, that will try to imitate dead people or loved ones especially if your thinking about someone you recently lost. IF you read 1 Samuel 28, the story of how King Saul went to the witch of Endor and had her summon up the spirit of the dead prophet Samuel, you see how the Lord feels about such things. Communicating with the dead is not a good thing to do and ghost are considered the spirits of the dead. The new age movement is really into this practice of communicating with the ancestral spirits, spirits of the dead, and they make it look so very appealing and good, especially in movies and on tv shows like ghost hunters or shows that spin a web of a story telling about how some dead persons spirit or ghost comes and rescues or guides someone. Don't buy into that because it is a deception.

[Guest lily]

I don't know what ghosts are or why they're here, but if ghosts are demons then I have a few questions, if anyone could give their opinion.

When I was a kid I seen a ghost in our kitchen sitting at the table, just a white figure, so did my older sister and also my younger brother, all on seperate occasions, but all in the same house. It never scared me and I never gave it much thought, but it was only that one occasion and nothing ever happened from it. Several years later we moved to the house where my parents still live now, and there we've had many things happen, like hearing footsteps and opening and closing of doors. This is not our imaginations, because we've all heard it, and there was eleven of us living in that house at the time. Anyway, whatever it was never appeared or said anything to us,just the noises, and it's never bothered us in any way. If it was a demon trying to get our minds away from Christ it never worked because we never talk about it to other people or amongst ourselves really. I would just like to know what the whole purpose of this was, if they were demons. Any ideas?

[Guest koni]

I remember once hearing about How Smith Wigglesworth, a man of God, heard a noise downstairs in his house. He got out of bed to go investigate the noise. When he got downstairs, there, sitting in his rocking chair was the devil himself, rocking back and forth. Smith simply looked at him and said "OH, It's only You"...turned around and went back upstairs to bed. And that's all it is...just the devil.