We Have The Evidence

[archaeologist55]

As we stated in our first issue of our magazine, we have lots of evidence for Noah's flood. We do not need to waste any more money searching for his ark when there is plenty of evidence all around us. A couple of examples we used in the article in that magazine:

1. The Flood by Dr. Rehwinkel pgs. 178ff:

Human reason was made the measure of all things. Whatever could not be harmonized with reason was rejected. Even the Bible was subjected to this treatment. This meant the removal, as acceptable truth, of everything which partook of the miraculous or of any direct interference with the affairs of men or the universe on the part of a personal, omnipotent God

In biology, Rationalism led to the revival of the ancient Greek theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the life that is found in the universe. The Biblical flood story could, of course, not be made to fit into such a mechanistic scheme any more than the story of Creation as related in Genesis...the modern theory of geology, which is evolutionistic in its basic principle, took their place. And yet even modern geology and other sciences have unwittingly contributed much to confirm the Biblical account of the Flood...

...The evidence of such fissures have been found in so many places of the earth, some of them measuring from 140 to 300 feet in depth. They were filled with debris which drifted into them soon after they opened...Such fissures have been found in England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere. The interesting feature of these fissures is the debris found in them, for they are filled with the remains of animals, among them those of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the hippopotamus, the reindeer, the horse, the hog, and the ox.. The bones found in them cannot be animals which fell in alive or were buried there, for no skeleton is complete. They cannot have been brought there by streams, for those who examined them found no signs on them of having been rolled. Neither could the bones have been exposed to the weather for a long time, for none of them show marks of weathering...

Again, it has been observed by such a competent geologist as Prestwich that these ossiferous fissures are usually found upon isolated hills of considerable height, places on which we might expect animals to gather in seeking safety from an approaching flood...

and

2. Path of the Poles by Dr. Charles Hapgood pages 280ff:

In a limestone cavern on the borders of the Lagoa do Sumidouro, some three leagues from Santa Lucia, Dr. P.W.Lund excavated the bones of more than thirty individuals (human) of both sexes and various ages. The skeletons lay buried in hard clay and were found mixed together in such great confusion- not only with one another but with the remains of the Meatherium and other Pleistocene mammals- as to preclude the idea that they had been entombed by the hand of man. All the bones, whether human or animal, showed evidence of having been contemporary with one another.. In other caves investigated by Lund, bones of ancient man were found alongside those of the formidable Smilodon, a giantfeline which became extinct during the last Pleistocene times. Referring to the evidence from these and other Brazilian fossiliferous caves, the marquis de Nadaillac wrote: "...doubtless these men and animals lived together and perished together, common victims of catastrophes, the time and cause of which are alike unknown."

if you think you have additional, legitimate, verifiable evidence, place it in your response.  please do not bring gibberish

What I find positive in the article is that the author recognizes at least the existence of an era called the Pleistocene. Which started more than 2 million years ago.

 

siegi

 

there was no pleistocene era.,

The author seems to believe so. He even speaks of a late Pleistocene era, meaning there was an earlier one. It is in the test you posted.

But if there is indeed no Pleistocene era, do you think his other conclusions could be based on a false premise?

 siegi

 

 

just because some people believe there was such an era doesn't mean there actually was.

there are only two eras in this world: pre-flood and post-flood

You could be perfectly right. But since Dr. Rehwinkel, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

since it was Dr. Hapgood and not Dr. Rehwinkel who mentioned it I think you got confused.

 

I stand corrected.

So, let me rephrase it. 

But since Dr. Hapgood, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

i think you need to stop assuming and trust God that I know what I am talking about

[siegi91]

As we stated in our first issue of our magazine, we have lots of evidence for Noah's flood. We do not need to waste any more money searching for his ark when there is plenty of evidence all around us. A couple of examples we used in the article in that magazine:

1. The Flood by Dr. Rehwinkel pgs. 178ff:

Human reason was made the measure of all things. Whatever could not be harmonized with reason was rejected. Even the Bible was subjected to this treatment. This meant the removal, as acceptable truth, of everything which partook of the miraculous or of any direct interference with the affairs of men or the universe on the part of a personal, omnipotent God

In biology, Rationalism led to the revival of the ancient Greek theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the life that is found in the universe. The Biblical flood story could, of course, not be made to fit into such a mechanistic scheme any more than the story of Creation as related in Genesis...the modern theory of geology, which is evolutionistic in its basic principle, took their place. And yet even modern geology and other sciences have unwittingly contributed much to confirm the Biblical account of the Flood...

...The evidence of such fissures have been found in so many places of the earth, some of them measuring from 140 to 300 feet in depth. They were filled with debris which drifted into them soon after they opened...Such fissures have been found in England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere. The interesting feature of these fissures is the debris found in them, for they are filled with the remains of animals, among them those of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the hippopotamus, the reindeer, the horse, the hog, and the ox.. The bones found in them cannot be animals which fell in alive or were buried there, for no skeleton is complete. They cannot have been brought there by streams, for those who examined them found no signs on them of having been rolled. Neither could the bones have been exposed to the weather for a long time, for none of them show marks of weathering...

Again, it has been observed by such a competent geologist as Prestwich that these ossiferous fissures are usually found upon isolated hills of considerable height, places on which we might expect animals to gather in seeking safety from an approaching flood...

and

2. Path of the Poles by Dr. Charles Hapgood pages 280ff:

In a limestone cavern on the borders of the Lagoa do Sumidouro, some three leagues from Santa Lucia, Dr. P.W.Lund excavated the bones of more than thirty individuals (human) of both sexes and various ages. The skeletons lay buried in hard clay and were found mixed together in such great confusion- not only with one another but with the remains of the Meatherium and other Pleistocene mammals- as to preclude the idea that they had been entombed by the hand of man. All the bones, whether human or animal, showed evidence of having been contemporary with one another.. In other caves investigated by Lund, bones of ancient man were found alongside those of the formidable Smilodon, a giantfeline which became extinct during the last Pleistocene times. Referring to the evidence from these and other Brazilian fossiliferous caves, the marquis de Nadaillac wrote: "...doubtless these men and animals lived together and perished together, common victims of catastrophes, the time and cause of which are alike unknown."

if you think you have additional, legitimate, verifiable evidence, place it in your response.  please do not bring gibberish

What I find positive in the article is that the author recognizes at least the existence of an era called the Pleistocene. Which started more than 2 million years ago.

 

siegi

 

there was no pleistocene era.,

The author seems to believe so. He even speaks of a late Pleistocene era, meaning there was an earlier one. It is in the test you posted.

But if there is indeed no Pleistocene era, do you think his other conclusions could be based on a false premise?

 siegi

 

 

just because some people believe there was such an era doesn't mean there actually was.

there are only two eras in this world: pre-flood and post-flood

You could be perfectly right. But since Dr. Rehwinkel, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

since it was Dr. Hapgood and not Dr. Rehwinkel who mentioned it I think you got confused.

 

I stand corrected.

So, let me rephrase it. 

But since Dr. Hapgood, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

i think you need to stop assuming and trust God that I know what I am talking about

I find your kind request particularly difficult to fulfill. First I need to believe in a God, before I can trust Him.

But it is an interesting point, that raises another question (I hope you indulge my ignorance): are those studies about the evidence of the flood intended for an audience of people who trust God, or for an audience of people who do not?

 

 

[archaeologist55]

As we stated in our first issue of our magazine, we have lots of evidence for Noah's flood. We do not need to waste any more money searching for his ark when there is plenty of evidence all around us. A couple of examples we used in the article in that magazine:

1. The Flood by Dr. Rehwinkel pgs. 178ff:

Human reason was made the measure of all things. Whatever could not be harmonized with reason was rejected. Even the Bible was subjected to this treatment. This meant the removal, as acceptable truth, of everything which partook of the miraculous or of any direct interference with the affairs of men or the universe on the part of a personal, omnipotent God

In biology, Rationalism led to the revival of the ancient Greek theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the life that is found in the universe. The Biblical flood story could, of course, not be made to fit into such a mechanistic scheme any more than the story of Creation as related in Genesis...the modern theory of geology, which is evolutionistic in its basic principle, took their place. And yet even modern geology and other sciences have unwittingly contributed much to confirm the Biblical account of the Flood...

...The evidence of such fissures have been found in so many places of the earth, some of them measuring from 140 to 300 feet in depth. They were filled with debris which drifted into them soon after they opened...Such fissures have been found in England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere. The interesting feature of these fissures is the debris found in them, for they are filled with the remains of animals, among them those of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the hippopotamus, the reindeer, the horse, the hog, and the ox.. The bones found in them cannot be animals which fell in alive or were buried there, for no skeleton is complete. They cannot have been brought there by streams, for those who examined them found no signs on them of having been rolled. Neither could the bones have been exposed to the weather for a long time, for none of them show marks of weathering...

Again, it has been observed by such a competent geologist as Prestwich that these ossiferous fissures are usually found upon isolated hills of considerable height, places on which we might expect animals to gather in seeking safety from an approaching flood...

and

2. Path of the Poles by Dr. Charles Hapgood pages 280ff:

In a limestone cavern on the borders of the Lagoa do Sumidouro, some three leagues from Santa Lucia, Dr. P.W.Lund excavated the bones of more than thirty individuals (human) of both sexes and various ages. The skeletons lay buried in hard clay and were found mixed together in such great confusion- not only with one another but with the remains of the Meatherium and other Pleistocene mammals- as to preclude the idea that they had been entombed by the hand of man. All the bones, whether human or animal, showed evidence of having been contemporary with one another.. In other caves investigated by Lund, bones of ancient man were found alongside those of the formidable Smilodon, a giantfeline which became extinct during the last Pleistocene times. Referring to the evidence from these and other Brazilian fossiliferous caves, the marquis de Nadaillac wrote: "...doubtless these men and animals lived together and perished together, common victims of catastrophes, the time and cause of which are alike unknown."

if you think you have additional, legitimate, verifiable evidence, place it in your response.  please do not bring gibberish

What I find positive in the article is that the author recognizes at least the existence of an era called the Pleistocene. Which started more than 2 million years ago.

 

siegi

 

there was no pleistocene era.,

The author seems to believe so. He even speaks of a late Pleistocene era, meaning there was an earlier one. It is in the test you posted.

But if there is indeed no Pleistocene era, do you think his other conclusions could be based on a false premise?

 siegi

 

 

just because some people believe there was such an era doesn't mean there actually was.

there are only two eras in this world: pre-flood and post-flood

You could be perfectly right. But since Dr. Rehwinkel, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

since it was Dr. Hapgood and not Dr. Rehwinkel who mentioned it I think you got confused.

 

I stand corrected.

So, let me rephrase it. 

But since Dr. Hapgood, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

i think you need to stop assuming and trust God that I know what I am talking about

I find your kind request particularly difficult to fulfill. First I need to believe in a God, before I can trust Him.

But it is an interesting point, that raises another question (I hope you indulge my ignorance): are those studies about the evidence of the flood intended for an audience of people who trust God, or for an audience of people who do not?

 

 

first, there is a God. he reveals himself in the Bible and it takes a step of faith to believe he exists and that his son died for you

second, all my communications (for the most part) are intended for those who already believe.

[siegi91]

As we stated in our first issue of our magazine, we have lots of evidence for Noah's flood. We do not need to waste any more money searching for his ark when there is plenty of evidence all around us. A couple of examples we used in the article in that magazine:

1. The Flood by Dr. Rehwinkel pgs. 178ff:

Human reason was made the measure of all things. Whatever could not be harmonized with reason was rejected. Even the Bible was subjected to this treatment. This meant the removal, as acceptable truth, of everything which partook of the miraculous or of any direct interference with the affairs of men or the universe on the part of a personal, omnipotent God

In biology, Rationalism led to the revival of the ancient Greek theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the life that is found in the universe. The Biblical flood story could, of course, not be made to fit into such a mechanistic scheme any more than the story of Creation as related in Genesis...the modern theory of geology, which is evolutionistic in its basic principle, took their place. And yet even modern geology and other sciences have unwittingly contributed much to confirm the Biblical account of the Flood...

...The evidence of such fissures have been found in so many places of the earth, some of them measuring from 140 to 300 feet in depth. They were filled with debris which drifted into them soon after they opened...Such fissures have been found in England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere. The interesting feature of these fissures is the debris found in them, for they are filled with the remains of animals, among them those of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the hippopotamus, the reindeer, the horse, the hog, and the ox.. The bones found in them cannot be animals which fell in alive or were buried there, for no skeleton is complete. They cannot have been brought there by streams, for those who examined them found no signs on them of having been rolled. Neither could the bones have been exposed to the weather for a long time, for none of them show marks of weathering...

Again, it has been observed by such a competent geologist as Prestwich that these ossiferous fissures are usually found upon isolated hills of considerable height, places on which we might expect animals to gather in seeking safety from an approaching flood...

and

2. Path of the Poles by Dr. Charles Hapgood pages 280ff:

In a limestone cavern on the borders of the Lagoa do Sumidouro, some three leagues from Santa Lucia, Dr. P.W.Lund excavated the bones of more than thirty individuals (human) of both sexes and various ages. The skeletons lay buried in hard clay and were found mixed together in such great confusion- not only with one another but with the remains of the Meatherium and other Pleistocene mammals- as to preclude the idea that they had been entombed by the hand of man. All the bones, whether human or animal, showed evidence of having been contemporary with one another.. In other caves investigated by Lund, bones of ancient man were found alongside those of the formidable Smilodon, a giantfeline which became extinct during the last Pleistocene times. Referring to the evidence from these and other Brazilian fossiliferous caves, the marquis de Nadaillac wrote: "...doubtless these men and animals lived together and perished together, common victims of catastrophes, the time and cause of which are alike unknown."

if you think you have additional, legitimate, verifiable evidence, place it in your response.  please do not bring gibberish

What I find positive in the article is that the author recognizes at least the existence of an era called the Pleistocene. Which started more than 2 million years ago.

 

siegi

 

there was no pleistocene era.,

The author seems to believe so. He even speaks of a late Pleistocene era, meaning there was an earlier one. It is in the test you posted.

But if there is indeed no Pleistocene era, do you think his other conclusions could be based on a false premise?

 siegi

 

 

just because some people believe there was such an era doesn't mean there actually was.

there are only two eras in this world: pre-flood and post-flood

You could be perfectly right. But since Dr. Rehwinkel, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

since it was Dr. Hapgood and not Dr. Rehwinkel who mentioned it I think you got confused.

 

I stand corrected.

So, let me rephrase it. 

But since Dr. Hapgood, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

i think you need to stop assuming and trust God that I know what I am talking about

I find your kind request particularly difficult to fulfill. First I need to believe in a God, before I can trust Him.

But it is an interesting point, that raises another question (I hope you indulge my ignorance): are those studies about the evidence of the flood intended for an audience of people who trust God, or for an audience of people who do not?

 

 

first, there is a God. he reveals himself in the Bible and it takes a step of faith to believe he exists and that his son died for you

second, all my communications (for the most part) are intended for those who already believe.

I see. What I do not see is the point of trying to convince someone who is already convinced. There would be a point if a believer in God, and His Son dying for her, is not 100% sure that there was indeed a global flood or a young earth. That means, a believer who does not completely trust the literal character of the Bible. Otherwise, I cannot imagine what this quest for additional evidence can bring.

 

Edited November 2, 2015 by siegi91

[archaeologist55]

As we stated in our first issue of our magazine, we have lots of evidence for Noah's flood. We do not need to waste any more money searching for his ark when there is plenty of evidence all around us. A couple of examples we used in the article in that magazine:

1. The Flood by Dr. Rehwinkel pgs. 178ff:

Human reason was made the measure of all things. Whatever could not be harmonized with reason was rejected. Even the Bible was subjected to this treatment. This meant the removal, as acceptable truth, of everything which partook of the miraculous or of any direct interference with the affairs of men or the universe on the part of a personal, omnipotent God

In biology, Rationalism led to the revival of the ancient Greek theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the life that is found in the universe. The Biblical flood story could, of course, not be made to fit into such a mechanistic scheme any more than the story of Creation as related in Genesis...the modern theory of geology, which is evolutionistic in its basic principle, took their place. And yet even modern geology and other sciences have unwittingly contributed much to confirm the Biblical account of the Flood...

...The evidence of such fissures have been found in so many places of the earth, some of them measuring from 140 to 300 feet in depth. They were filled with debris which drifted into them soon after they opened...Such fissures have been found in England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere. The interesting feature of these fissures is the debris found in them, for they are filled with the remains of animals, among them those of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the hippopotamus, the reindeer, the horse, the hog, and the ox.. The bones found in them cannot be animals which fell in alive or were buried there, for no skeleton is complete. They cannot have been brought there by streams, for those who examined them found no signs on them of having been rolled. Neither could the bones have been exposed to the weather for a long time, for none of them show marks of weathering...

Again, it has been observed by such a competent geologist as Prestwich that these ossiferous fissures are usually found upon isolated hills of considerable height, places on which we might expect animals to gather in seeking safety from an approaching flood...

and

2. Path of the Poles by Dr. Charles Hapgood pages 280ff:

In a limestone cavern on the borders of the Lagoa do Sumidouro, some three leagues from Santa Lucia, Dr. P.W.Lund excavated the bones of more than thirty individuals (human) of both sexes and various ages. The skeletons lay buried in hard clay and were found mixed together in such great confusion- not only with one another but with the remains of the Meatherium and other Pleistocene mammals- as to preclude the idea that they had been entombed by the hand of man. All the bones, whether human or animal, showed evidence of having been contemporary with one another.. In other caves investigated by Lund, bones of ancient man were found alongside those of the formidable Smilodon, a giantfeline which became extinct during the last Pleistocene times. Referring to the evidence from these and other Brazilian fossiliferous caves, the marquis de Nadaillac wrote: "...doubtless these men and animals lived together and perished together, common victims of catastrophes, the time and cause of which are alike unknown."

if you think you have additional, legitimate, verifiable evidence, place it in your response.  please do not bring gibberish

What I find positive in the article is that the author recognizes at least the existence of an era called the Pleistocene. Which started more than 2 million years ago.

 

siegi

 

there was no pleistocene era.,

The author seems to believe so. He even speaks of a late Pleistocene era, meaning there was an earlier one. It is in the test you posted.

But if there is indeed no Pleistocene era, do you think his other conclusions could be based on a false premise?

 siegi

 

 

just because some people believe there was such an era doesn't mean there actually was.

there are only two eras in this world: pre-flood and post-flood

You could be perfectly right. But since Dr. Rehwinkel, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

since it was Dr. Hapgood and not Dr. Rehwinkel who mentioned it I think you got confused.

 

I stand corrected.

So, let me rephrase it. 

But since Dr. Hapgood, a scientist apparently, belongs to the set of people who believe there was one, then I would take with a grain of salt anything else he says about the past. Especially when he could go so wrong about the existence of an era that spans the last 2.5 million years.

i think you need to stop assuming and trust God that I know what I am talking about

I find your kind request particularly difficult to fulfill. First I need to believe in a God, before I can trust Him.

But it is an interesting point, that raises another question (I hope you indulge my ignorance): are those studies about the evidence of the flood intended for an audience of people who trust God, or for an audience of people who do not?

 

 

first, there is a God. he reveals himself in the Bible and it takes a step of faith to believe he exists and that his son died for you

second, all my communications (for the most part) are intended for those who already believe.

I see. What I do not see is the point of trying to convince someone who is already convinced. There would be a point if a believer in God, and His Son dying for her, is not 100% sure that there was indeed a global flood or a young earth. That means, a believer who does not completely trust the literal character of the Bible. Otherwise, I cannot imagine what this quest for additional evidence can bring.

 

that is because you do not believe

[archaeologist55]

"The doctrine of the New Birth upsets all false religion- all false views about the Bible and about God. A friend of mine once told me that in one of his after-meetings a man came to him with a long list of questions written out for him to answer. He said: “If you can answer these questions satisfactorily, I have made up my mind to become a Christian.”

this man sought evidence first also.   once he stopped , all of his questions,  all of them, were answered.  this is common in those who are born again >> link in the WORTHY NETWORK >>

where is the list of questions? I am not going to read a long post.

 

[simplejeff]

don't want to read a famous lesson by Moody on the doctrine of born again , tested and proven forever, ..? 

for all the answers, to every question that has ever plagued mankind ? 

from the Creator Himself ? 

go figure it out elsewhere then - all you'll find is failure and judgment,  all apart from Christ Jesus.

((from some of his own posts weeks ago,  archeol......   did leave, in his own words upset with the lack of people  on wcf who have even a mediocre true knowledge of Scripture.... ))

On November 2, 2015 at 2:48 PM, archaeologist55 said:

where is the list of questions? I am not going to read a long post.

 

 

 

[Goldenshark123]

The story of Noah's ark is just unreasonable to me. A 150 metre ship, built by a family of unskilled people, managed to sail underwater for a full year while extreme currents and waves rattled the water and managed to run aground safely on a mountain while carrying 14,000 passengers. That is simply illogical. In fact, a ship called the Wyonging, built by the best shipbuilders in the world, was 30 metres shorter than the ark is said to have been, twisted apart in the ocean current killing all 14 crewmen. Surely the much bigger, much heavier and much lower quility ark would have done the same.

If you visit the grand canyon (which I have not had the pleasure of doing yet, unfortunately) you will find that the fossils of each animal time period are in layers, as the sedimentary rock built up. In a worldwide flood, you would expect some animals to swim up to a higher level. Apparently not a single one of them did. 

Another myth attributed to the ark story is a massive land bridge. The ark apparently ran aground on a mountain in the middle east. The animals from say, Australia or Britain would need to get back to their habitat. They can't all live in the middle east forever. Apprently, god created a land bridge, connecting the place of the ark's landing to all the places the animals needed to go. Some animals have short lifespans, and that journey would have taken years, so you would expect fossils of Kangaroos or Koalas to be along a 'road' from the middle east to Australia. There are none.

 

[FresnoJoe]

On 2/26/2016 at 10:40 AM, Goldenshark123 said:

The story of Noah's ark is just unreasonable to me....

Another myth.... a massive land bridge....

Although

And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart. Jeremiah 18:12

You Will Not Believe

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

God Still Loves

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

You

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Love, Joe

[Goldenshark123]

Please give me proper evidence rather than scripture. That proves nothing