christian multiplication

[creativemechanic]

. We were talking about issues being caused by the low birth rate of our country-aging population etc. So a christian coworker pointed out that its our fault. We allowed people from family planning to encourage us to have smaller families even tho God said he'd bless our increase and our forefathers had large families and survived. Meanwhile Muslims aren't practising it and are growing very quickly all over the world. It got me thinking- Should large families be an aim of Christian couples and by only getting one or 2 are we showing lack of faith in God to sustain us? Or is our family size predetermined by Gods will?

[LadyKay]

Can you show me where in the Bible it says God commands that I have more then 1 child? All this is is another way to judge someone. Oh you only have one child you must not have enough faith to have more. There are many many reason why people choice to have only one child and many reasons why people choice to have more. The truth be told there are some people who should never have children at all. But does that mean they are sinners? No it does not. God did not make us robots program to do everything the same way as everyone else.  He made each of us different.

And by the way. People from family planning did not encourage me to have a small family. That was what my husband and me decided was right for us.

[thereselittleflower]

10 hours ago, creativemechanic said:

. We were talking about issues being caused by the low birth rate of our country-aging population etc. So a christian coworker pointed out that its our fault. We allowed people from family planning to encourage us to have smaller families even tho God said he'd bless our increase and our forefathers had large families and survived. Meanwhile Muslims aren't practising it and are growing very quickly all over the world. It got me thinking- Should large families be an aim of Christian couples and by only getting one or 2 are we showing lack of faith in God to sustain us? Or is our family size predetermined by Gods will?

All of christianity from its very beginning until early last century condemned artificial birth control.   At the turn of last century, artificial contraception was illegal in the US.

Eugenicists, needed to get abortion legalized and to do that they needed to get artificial contraception legalized, and to do that, they realized they needed to get christian churches to change their 1900 year unanimous teaching condemning it.   Through a concerted effort they successfully targeted the Anglican Church to begin inroads into getting artificial contraception legalized, which then paved the path for the legalization of artificial contraception in the US, which then laid the groundwork for getting abortion legalized.   Once the Anglican Church caved to their pressure, virtually all others did also.

So the question is, why did christianity unanimously and universally condemn artificial contraception for 1900 years and then why did almost all denominations and churches cave to the plans, agenda and dictates of atheist eugenicists?

 

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

Back when the America was a mostly Agrarian society, large families were possible.  You lived off of what you could grow and you bartered food with other family farms.   Food was a form of currency in many places.   Large families were possible when the US Dollar was worth more.  When the US dollar was worth more, you do more with less money and since there was more than way to obtain supplies, again by bartering goods and services, it was possible to raise a large family even if you weren't particularly rich by any standard of measure.

Times have changed and the US Dollar is a shell of its former self and is worth far less.  Inflation is through the roof, and a large family requires a large monetary income.  You can't raise a family $20 a week like you could several decades ago.   Wages have not kept up at all with inflation and we are letting foreigners enter our country to do nothing more than free-load off of the American taxpayer.

There comes a point when you have to responsible and realistic about the size of family you can financially support.   If the father and mother have two children and are working multiple jobs just to break even, it follows that they probably should not be having more children.  So birth control is necessity. 

Our societal structure makes it so that regular working families can't have 6 and 7 children.

[thereselittleflower]

What if Margaret Sanger and her ilk never succeeded with the Anglican Church in getting them to overturn the universal, unanimous prohibition against artificial contraception?   What if it had never become legal?

Would not the face of our world be much different than it is today?

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

What if Margaret Sanger and her ilk never succeeded with the Anglican Church in getting them to overturn the universal, unanimous prohibition against artificial contraception?   What if it had never become legal?

Would not the face of our world be much different than it is today?

 

 

If Margaret Sanger had not come up with birth control, someone else would have do so, out of necessity.   It is irresponsible and reckless to have more children than you can afford to raise.   It is not good for parents and it is certainly not good for children.

[Guest shiloh357]

12 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

that kind of thinking might say that it is reckless and cruel to take , say, for example, 400,000 people out into the desert and not have provisions for them.  

and that it is cruel to make them eat the same food every day, day after day, for forty years  ((basically)).

without an osha approved rest room at that ... ... and with no changing table for changing babies diapers .... 

 

No not really.  I don't think is an accurate comparison.   God had all kinds of provisions for them and their shoes didn't even wear out.   No one ever starved.  They had everything they needed and there was never any lack.

God was not an impoverished parent who lacked the needed resources to take care of his people.

[thereselittleflower]

26 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

If Margaret Sanger had not come up with birth control, someone else would have do so, out of necessity.   It is irresponsible and reckless to have more children than you can afford to raise.   It is not good for parents and it is certainly not good for children.

She didn't come up with artificial birth control.  Artificial birth control has been around since the most ancient times.

What she succeeded in doing was making it legal by first getting almost all christian churches to change the 1900 year old unanimous, universal prohibition against, and condemnation of, artificial birth control.

I wonder if all the reasons people give for justifying following the agenda of the atheistic eugenicists today would have much relevancy in a world that never saw the legalization of artificial birth control.

Families would still have been large.  We would not have seen the fragmenting of families and resulting fragmenting of society.   The family bounds would have been stronger, deeper.  It would have been much harder for the LTGB to even be formed, let alone be a potent lobbying force.

Large families as the norm would have changed the face of society into something that would have supported and encouraged this instead of supporting small, fragmented families.

 

How can we, as christians, justify dancing to the flute of the atheistic eugenicists who see us as undesirables and want to control our birthrate so they could diminish and nullify our power for good and influence in society?

 

It seems their goals and agenda, and their plans to get there are working out quite well for them - and only because we cooperated.

What if all those christian churches never gave in, never caved?  What if they never cooperated?

What if WE never cooperated?

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

She didn't come up with artificial birth control.  Artificial birth control has been around since the most ancient times.

What she succeeded in doing was making it legal by first getting almost all christian churches to change the 1900 year old unanimous, universal prohibition against, and condemnation of, artificial birth control.

I wonder if all the reasons people give for justifying following the agenda of the atheistic eugenicists today would have much relevancy in a world that never saw the legalization of artificial birth control.

Families would still have been large.  We would not have seen the fragmenting of families and resulting fragmenting of society.   The family bounds would have been stronger, deeper.  It would have been much harder for the LTGB to even be formed, let alone be a potent lobbying force.

Large families as the norm would have changed the face of society into something that would have supported and encouraged this instead of supporting small, fragmented families.

 

How can we, as christians, justify dancing to the flute of the atheistic eugenicists who see us as undesirables and want to control our birthrate so they could diminish and nullify our power for good and influence in society?

 

It seems their goals and agenda, and their plans to get there are working out quite well for them - and only because we cooperated.

What if all those christian churches never gave in, never caved?  What if they never cooperated?

 

 

There is no biblical prohibition against birth control, regardless.  The Chruch doesn't set the standard for the Christian life; The Bible does.   What the RCC allows or prohibits doesn't really matter.  They don't run the world and have no say in how I or anyone else lives.

Birth control is for many reasons a very good thing, even if it can be used for nefarious purposes.   A brick can be used to build a house or break a jewelry store window. 

Having  family too large to support is irresponsible and if you can't adequately feed and clothe the kids you have now, you don't need to be having any more.  It really is that simple. 

[thereselittleflower]

8 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

There is no biblical prohibition against birth control, regardless.  The Chruch doesn't set the standard for the Christian life; The Bible does.   What the RCC allows or prohibits doesn't really matter.  They don't run the world and have no say in how I or anyone else lives.

Birth control is for many reasons a very good thing, even if it can be used for nefarious purposes.   A brick can be used to build a house or break a jewelry store window. 

Having  family too large to support is irresponsible and if you can't adequately feed and clothe the kids you have now, you don't need to be having any more.  It really is that simple. 

I am simply asking questions that I think need to be asked, and they have nothing to do with any particular church or denomination.

My questions are based in history and historical events and the true and real reasons for those events.

What if we, as christians had never caved to the pressure and agenda of the atheistic eugenicists?    How would our world be different today?

I believe it would be vastly different as the influence of christians would have been vastly greater, it would have been that much harder for darkness to find such an easy perch.

But with our birthrates so low, which is exactly what they wanted to achieve, they preemptively hamstrung their opposition - us.