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21 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, we would not be brothers or sisters.  If they turned to homosexuality, or radical Islamic terrorism, we would also not be brothers and sisters.   Again, I am operating from the biblical standard on this.

So there is no such thing as natural brothers or sisters?

 

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21 hours ago, gdemoss said:

 

Oops accidental quote i can't remove!

 

You can delete the post.  Sometimes that happens to me.  I just hit submit then I delete it.     

You can also get the cursor as far up in the quoted area as you can get it - you may not see it but click in the time stamp area -  I hold my mouse then over the time stamp,  then use ctr + right click and a dialogue pops up  - it gives me the option to paste.   I hit paste and a pop up appears.  I put in several spaces (but do not hit enter or it doesn't seem to work right), then hit ok, and those spaces then go before the quote box.

I then put in some spaces after the quote box, then I can select the entire thing and delete it.

I just did that to cut a quote from you to paste it below and respond to it:

 

    

20 hours ago, gdemoss said:

Catholics have no choice but to go with whatever their "holy father" says.  No point in arguing except to see just how far they will go to defend it all.

That's not quite true though.   

 

 

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20 hours ago, other one said:

To be a brother or sister we would have to have the same father.....     I would give you that we might be cousins, but not brothers or sisters until we have the same father.      and that doesn't happen until we are born again.

Or you need to have the same mother.

The question I am posing is if there is any such thing as natural brothers or sisters.   It seems some people don't believe they have natural brothers or sisters even though they were born of the same mother and/or father, if said brother or sister is not a believer.

IMHO, that is really, really messed up.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

That's not quite true though.   

To be Roman Catholic you must accept the basic tenents of the religion or your not really a Roman Catholic.  

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30 minutes ago, gdemoss said:

To be Roman Catholic you must accept the basic tenents of the religion or your not really a Roman Catholic.  

That is not the same as accepting everything the Pope says.

 

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44 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

That is not the same as accepting everything the Pope says.

 

Say on.  Can you show me where in the Catholic literature you are granted the privalage of speaking against the pope?

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6 minutes ago, gdemoss said:

Say on.  Can you show me where in the Catholic literature you are granted the privalage of speaking against the pope?

I can give you an example of something recent where we do not have to agree with the Pope.

The Pope only has authority in matters of faith and morals.   He has no authority in matters of science for instance.  When it comes to his comments on global warming, there is no obligation for Catholics to accept his words on the science of global warming and we are free to disagree with his pov.

Also if a Pope were to teach against faith and morals, we have no obligation to accept such teaching.

And here is an example straight from Pope Benedict about his own writing:

 

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Pope Benedict XVI wrote and published a book entitled, Jesus of Nazareth: from the Baptism in the Jordan to the Transfiguration. In the preface of that book, he writes:

“It goes without saying that this book is in no way an exercise of the magisterium, but is solely an expression of my personal search ‘for the face of the Lord’ (cf. Ps 27:8). Everyone is free, then, to contradict me. I would only ask my readers for that initial goodwill without which there can be no understanding.” [1]

 

 

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6 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

I can give you an example of something recent where we do not have to agree with the Pope.

The Pope only has authority in matters of faith and morals.   He has no authority in matters of science for instance.  When it comes to his comments on global warming, there is no obligation for Catholics to accept his words on the science of global warming and we are free to disagree with his pov.

Also if a Pope were to teach against faith and morals, we have no obligation to accept such teaching.

And here is an example straight from Pope Benedict about his own writing:

 

 

 

Yes, he gives the reader permission.  But as was stated by you, you are not free to disagree with the pope in magisterial matters concerning faith and morals.  That covers everything worth debating in Christiandom.  Therefore you cannot go against the pope.  This is what I meant by what I said.

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2 minutes ago, gdemoss said:

Yes, he gives the reader permission.  But as was stated by you, you are not free to disagree with the pope in magisterial matters concerning faith and morals.  That covers everything worth debating in Christiandom.  Therefore you cannot go against the pope.  This is what I meant by what I said.

The Pope says a lot of things that are not magesterial. :)   I was addressing the blanket statement that would include everything which would simply not be true.

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Just now, thereselittleflower said:

The Pope says a lot of things that are not magesterial. :)   I was addressing the blanket statement that would include everything which would simply not be true.

So then you agree with me.  To be a real Roman Catholic you must be in agreement with the pope in matters of faith and morals.  There is no room for disagreement.

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