Pope: Fundamentalism, a disease of all religions

[thereselittleflower]

On 12/2/2015, 1:01:41, Davida said:

 I find him contemptible & conniving , you see what he is setting up for the future... I do...

Some thoughts are best let unspoken - especially inflammatory, uncharitable, slanderous ones.

 

It seems to me what many are missing in this thread is he is referring to fundamentalism in this fashion:

 

• A person who takes their religion so literally and to such extremes that they contradict the very basis of their faith.

 

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

25 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Some thoughts are best let unspoken - especially inflammatory, uncharitable, slanderous ones.

 

It seems to me what many are missing in this thread is he is referring to fundamentalism in this fashion:

 

• A person who takes their religion so literally and to such extremes that they contradict the very basis of their faith.

 

 

 

Actually he was comparing violent Muslim extremists with those who believe in absolute truth.  To make such a irrational and unfair comparison shows he is devoid of truth and is not a man of God, and is reproach to Christ and to true Christianity.

[OakWood]

2 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

Some thoughts are best let unspoken - especially inflammatory, uncharitable, slanderous ones.

 

It seems to me what many are missing in this thread is he is referring to fundamentalism in this fashion:

 

• A person who takes their religion so literally and to such extremes that they contradict the very basis of their faith.

 

 

 

But Muslims who kill and murder are not contradicting the very basis of their faith. They are in fact doing exactly as their scriptures tell them. ISIS and al-Qaeda are not Muslims who are taking their religion so literally that they contradict the very basis of their faith - they are indeed following the very basis of their faith.

Ignorant people claim that Muslims who kill have taken the verses of the Q'uran out of context but are always incapable of putting those verses into context and are never able to explain how Muslims can possibly interpret so-called verses of peace to mean the entire opposite. I have never been given a satisfactory explanation by anybody as to how the 'Religion of Peace' can be such a violent one.

If Pope Francis is comparing violent acts committed by Muslims to violent or intolerant acts committed by Christians then he certainly does not know the Q'uran and it seems to me that he doesn't know the Bible either!

[thereselittleflower]

4 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Actually he was comparing violent Muslim extremists with those who believe in absolute truth.  To make such a irrational and unfair comparison shows he is devoid of truth and is not a man of God, and is reproach to Christ and to true Christianity.

No he wasn't.

 

[thereselittleflower]

1 hour ago, OakWood said:

But Muslims who kill and murder are not contradicting the very basis of their faith. They are in fact doing exactly as their scriptures tell them. ISIS and al-Qaeda are not Muslims who are taking their religion so literally that they contradict the very basis of their faith - they are indeed following the very basis of their faith.

Ignorant people claim that Muslims who kill have taken the verses of the Q'uran out of context but are always incapable of putting those verses into context and are never able to explain how Muslims can possibly interpret so-called verses of peace to mean the entire opposite. I have never been given a satisfactory explanation by anybody as to how the 'Religion of Peace' can be such a violent one.

If Pope Francis is comparing violent acts committed by Muslims to violent or intolerant acts committed by Christians then he certainly does not know the Q'uran and it seems to me that he doesn't know the Bible either!

Anyone can make the bible say anything they want it to say.   

 

[OakWood]

 

"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war"

1 hour ago, thereselittleflower said:

Anyone can make the bible say anything they want it to say.   

 

They can but they can't fool anybody but an idiot.

When Jesus tells us to 'love thine enemy' it's pretty clear what it means. You can't twist it and say that it means the complete opposite such as 'hate thine enemy', yet when Muslim apologists try to twist verses of the Q'uran into peaceful ones then they are stretching credibility to the point of lunacy.

It's very clear from the Q'uran and the Hadiths how Muslims are to behave and what they should believe in. When Sura 9 verse 5 of the Q'uran tells Muslims to:

 

"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war"

it's pretty clear what it means. This is a direct command to Muslims, just like the Ten Commandments are to Christians You can't mistake the above command to mean anything else. It can't be taken out of context especially when there are around 100 other verses supporting this. It can't mean that Muslims should just fight in self defence because when has the word 'ambush' been applied to self-defence? And when do the words 'wherever you find them' apply only to a defence against external aggression? And why would you need to 'harass' anybody? Harrassment is always an act performed without provocation.

Besides, Mohammed himself (the founder of the religion) preached that non-Muslims should be enslaved or murdered and that Islam should conquer the World. If you want to compare the actions of Jesus to the actions of Mohammed then you will find two very different characters. Mohammed was a murderer, a rapist, a child-molester, a thief and a liar. All Muslim scriptures verify this and all Muslim scholars agree.

The Pope has made a massive mistake by comparing fundamentalist Christianity to fundamentalist Islam. They are polar opposites. Fundamentalist Christians are devout followers of the word of God. They believe in the authority of scripture. Fundamentalist Muslims believe in the authority of the Q'uran and they believe in murder, because they believe that there god condones murder and they are right to believe that their god is a bloodthirsty murderous one because that is exactly what their scriptures tell them.

Muslims also believe that Jesus was not the son of the God, nor did he die on the cross. That is exactly what the Q'uran says. Francis should know that any religion that does not accept the death and resurrection of Christ is a false one. Therefore he had no right comparing fundamentalist Christianity to fundamentalist Islam.

When did you last hear of a Christian strapping on a suicide vest and killing himself and other people (and more importantly doing it in the name of his religion?). In contrast when did you last hear of a Muslim doing the same? Well.... it happens every day.

 

[thereselittleflower]

2 hours ago, Davida said:

Lol,.....Only those who don't really know the Bible, don't revere it's contents & the Living Holy GOD who inspired the Word say that. Because you cannot 'MAKE' the Bible say what you want--BUT you can be Ignorant and uninformed about the Bible  and  you can LIE about it--But you Cannot MAKE the Bible say anything you want. The only other people you'd convince of that are other people who don't know the Bible.  Your statement is simply False.

I think you are missing my point.  I'm not sure if it's because you aren't understanding it or if this is deliberate.

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

3 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

No he wasn't.

 

Yeah, if you read the entire statement linked from the source provided by the OP he was.   He said that Islam was not only religion fundamentalist extremists and went on to say that Christianity's fundamental extremists are those who believe that they know absolute truth.  People who believe the Bible are who know and believe in absolute truth.   By this stupid Pope's definition we are "extremists."  

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, OakWood said:

The Pope has made a massive mistake by comparing fundamentalist Christianity to fundamentalist Islam. They are polar opposites. Fundamentalist Christians are devout followers of the word of God.

Oakwood, if this was a "mistake" if was quite deliberate. What the Pope did in this speech is what Obama and his supporters are doing in America -- shifting the focus of the public from the Holy War of Radical Islam to Christian fundamentalists and "violent extremists" (which could mean just about anyone who has a gun, except blacks and Muslims).  In fact he made a direct attack on Christian fundamentalists by stating that "They believe they know absolute truth and corrupt others".  This from a man who represents corrupted Christianity.

What we are seeing over and over again is a concerted effort from the top (the UN, the White House, the Papacy, the Attorney General, the FBI Director, etc) to deceive the public into believing that the threat to the West from Radical Islam does not exist, and that the bogus *climate change* is responsible for all the atrocities being committed.  At the same time, they are all promoting gun control, since they do not want an armed citizenry which might just overthrow the governments which are lying through their teeth.

[thereselittleflower]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

Yeah, if you read the entire statement linked from the source provided by the OP he was.   He said that Islam was not only religion fundamentalist extremists and went on to say that Christianity's fundamental extremists are those who believe that they know absolute truth.  People who believe the Bible are who know and believe in absolute truth.   By this stupid Pope's definition we are "extremists."  

I'm sorry, but it is plain to me you aren't understanding his words.  When they are stripped of their proper context then of course they will be misunderstood.