KPaulG Posted December 14, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 71 Topic Count: 340 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 16,834 Content Per Day: 4.71 Reputation: 13,549 Days Won: 81 Joined: 07/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/2000 Share Posted December 14, 2015 4 hours ago, Timothy said: I wasn't all that bad, was I? Welcome back, Mr. Timothy! I miss you! God Bless you. Your friend and brother in Christ, KPaulG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 15, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,322 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,525 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 15, 2015 11 hours ago, MorningGlory said: I'm a little surprised at your post , gdemoss. I've been here over nine years and I just haven't seen 'over zealous' mods, except one, and he is long gone. Most of the time there is no problem that I can see. Some here can be quite outspoken, I am guilty of that sometimes, but we all have to understand that some censorship is necessary or this board would be chaos and sink into the vile garbage we see on secular sites. I hope that you rethink the above and are able to be happy visiting Worthy. No Christian forum is perfect but Worthy is one of the best ones. I was banned from another site for not conforming to their doctrine; no discussion allowed. See I knew deep down you were naughty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted December 15, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted December 15, 2015 14 hours ago, MorningGlory said: I'm a little surprised at your post , gdemoss. I've been here over nine years and I just haven't seen 'over zealous' mods, except one, and he is long gone. Most of the time there is no problem that I can see. Some here can be quite outspoken, I am guilty of that sometimes, but we all have to understand that some censorship is necessary or this board would be chaos and sink into the vile garbage we see on secular sites. I hope that you rethink the above and are able to be happy visiting Worthy. No Christian forum is perfect but Worthy is one of the best ones. I was banned from another site for not conforming to their doctrine; no discussion allowed. We all see things from our own perspective. I love worthy. Worthy is ran by people who do what they believe is right. But like all of us humans each has sin in them. Each can only see what they can see. Everyone who reads what we write filters it through the lens of their own understanding. Most everything done at worthy is done well. I have one too many times seen posts, threads and people disappear and stand by my belief that moderation is sometimes overzealous while other times extremely blind and refuse to make application of same policy on hateful people seemingly because of reputation. Worthy Christian forums presents itself as a place for Christians to come together and discuss their faith while inviting unbelivers to take a look. It is modeled after the temple with both an inner and outer court. Those who then rule over this house as moderators ought to fit the same standard since they are ruling over Gods people choosing who may stay and who must go, whose words will be allowed versus whose shall be removed, when a topic is locked etc. They are therefore putting themselves as rulers over God people. Let them first be those who fit Gods standard to rule his people or let them hold their peace and keep their hands off of the judgment seat they sit in. With great power comes great responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted December 16, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,711 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,528 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted December 16, 2015 On 12/13/2015 at 4:37 AM, archaeologist55 said: I get notifications and posts and now threads disappear so I am done with this website. I will expect to receive no more notifications or e-mails automatic or otherwise. Do not contact me at all Goodbye and God bless. If your not happy here then leave. The mods here are pretty good, theyre not perfect but theyre pretty good. If one is not happy with them because they think that the mods are "over Zealous" or "play favorites" then they should leave, because the problem most likely is not with the mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted December 16, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 hours ago, the_patriot2015 said: Goodbye and God bless. If your not happy here then leave. The mods here are pretty good, theyre not perfect but theyre pretty good. If one is not happy with them because they think that the mods are "over Zealous" or "play favorites" then they should leave, because the problem most likely is not with the mods. Lol! "If one is not happy...then they should leave". Umm, no. If one is not happy they should not wander about seeking happiness but rather take Jesus advice on how to be happy from the sermon on the mount. The mods can be both overzealous and play favorites but that ought not take away my happiness. If I require the attitudes and actions of others to be perfect in order for me to be happy then I am in big trouble! You are one of the people here that I have taken those ques from. In many cases here on the board you have been at extreme odds with others without having a need to leave or allow the problems of others attitudes to drastically affect your ability to post. No, in these things I have respect for you. My experience is that when people tend to come and go based upon how they feel they are letting sin get the best of them through fear. I have learned more about myself by inventorying my fears and resentments. When angry I am usually afraid of losing something I have or not getting something I want. It is like a one two punch. George is providing a good service through worthy using that which God has made available to him. Yet none of us are perfected and sin gets the best of each of us at times. I have no issue with agreeing with someone that bad things happen here on the board and that imperfect humans are running it. I think we ought merely seek to be honest with ourselves and others about what is what. I need to be held accountable for what I say and do. This is how I have grown in my life since God entered into the picture. Please, don't go anywhere (not that O think you would lol). I enjoy reading your discussions and learning from you and the others who have endured. You are one person I think would be fun to break bread in person with. Lord willing that will happen some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted December 16, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted December 16, 2015 On 12/14/2015 at 1:42 AM, Omegaman 3.0 said: Well, I would have been willing to discuss this, and try to get to the bottom of the problem, but, archaeologist asked not to be contacted, so I won't. If a person has what they feel is a legitimate complaint, they should contact a staff member, and not complain about their issue in a post. It is not as if there is any way possible for us to read every post on this website, so many issues will never be known, if we are not made aware of them. One of the posts in the thread, mentioned something to the effect that over zealous moderators block or delete content, but since no specifics were given it is hard to comment on that. We get complaints also, that we allow too much content and that more things should be censored.deleted. With 70,000 registers users, from many countries, customs, religions, denominations, political ideologies, standards of conduct, sensitivities, cultures, etc. it can be a challenge to please everybody. I tend to be a bit on the tolerant side, trying to allow people their voice. I allow things to remain, that probably should not be allowed. I do think that there are some things that people say here, that should be thought out a little bit, before typing something crude or abusive, when the same thought could have been conveyed in more tasteful terms. What a person types in there posts, may seem fine to them, but it may not be seen in the same light, by other readers, try to be sensitive to that, before hitting the enter key. Someone mentioned there being something crude in a thread that I was just reading, and another poster agreed. Then one wondered why the moderators don't do something about it. There is a reason usually, why something like that might be unattended to - likely no moderator was made aware of it, as I said, we cannot read everything. That is why there is a "report post" option at the top of every post, so that if you think there is something that needs to be addressed, we can be alerted to the problem. We cannot reply to every report. We may nor choose to do anything if we do not beleive any action is required. If we do decide to take action, it might be delayed, as we have a very small staff, and limited time to give to managing the forums. Please try to be patient. Regarding posts or thread being deleted. Again, no specifics given, that make it difficult to respond to, since we have no idea what is referred to. It is very possible, that whatever the problem there is, that is is not what it appeared to be. I looked in the deleted area, and only found one post that might have been what was referred to, but I do not even know why it was deleted. I cannot read everything, do not have the time to sift through tens of thousands of words - needles in haystacks take time. When you have a compliant, contact us and be specific. We are not mind readers! Regarding a desire not to be contacted or notified etc., there are settings a person can adjust at http://www.worthychristianforums.com/notifications/options/ if they are logged in. Also, one can also set filters on their own email service, to adjust what is treated as spam. There are things one can do to take control of and manage their own, specific requirements. I missed this one! Good post. You are one of the best mods I have ever seen here. As for deleted posts, i don't reference specific because I move on but the memory of trying to figure out what happened to a post or trying to follow along in a topic now missing many posts has been unsettling at times. I simply voice in the open forum that I oppose censorship of actual members discourse. Jesus said that we would be judged by the words we speak therefore I am for free speech and allowing people to pay a price for what they say in a public forum. The report button is good for spam not to whine about so and so is being mean to me and their posts are not edifying. When my children selfishly tattle on one another seeking to get the other punished I punish the narcissistic nark who is seeking to gain against their sibling. They should rather be heartbroken that their siblings relationship gets broken with God when they behave ungodly but they are seeking justice against their own. Christians who do such things ought to be ashamed as that is antichrist behavior. We are told to pray for our enemies not to report them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted December 16, 2015 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted December 16, 2015 7 minutes ago, gdemoss said: I missed this one! Good post. You are one of the best mods I have ever seen here. Opinions vary, lol, but thanks Gary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,711 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,528 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The entire accusation of over moderation, and playing favorites, isnt an honest accusation. In the past, perhaps, but with our current moderation team, no. Now, we may not know what the mods are doing with other members behind the scenes to deal with their actions-its not our business, but that doesnt mean they arnt handling it. Any time our feelings get hurt, our first inclination is to want the other person booted out-but were working off our feelings, not necessarily the rules, thats why we have moderators, they look at the situation from the outside, and make a fair judgement. Sometimes we dont like it. Sometimes they make the wrong judgement. Theyre human to. Often, if we think we are wronged on the boards, instead of pm the person who offended you, or alerting a moderator, we just lash out at the other person, and then get mortally offended because the mods dont do anything to the other person. Well, if you got a thread with 5 different people hurling insults at each other, what would you have them do, ban all 5 people? or simply close the thread. As far as posts disapearing, well, another issue where its a false accusation. If a post dissappears, why dont you just pm a servant and ASK, especially if its your post. Ive done this. I dont always get the answer I want, but I at least know why it was done. A good deal of these "issues" people have with the mods would be solved by simply communicating with the mods, and having a Christlike attitude about it. 9 times out of 10 the situation will be resolved. Sometimes you might get your way, sometimes not, but more often then not youll at least understand the reasoning behind it as long as you approach with a respectful and Christ like attitude. As for the op here, Ive seen his posting style, hes been very provacative, rude, and arrogant, multiple times, and liked to create fights. I dont know why the mods made his posts dissappear, I suspect he does, and he started this thread just to try to stir up hate and miscontent against the mods as revenge on the way out. My human side wants to say good riddance, but my spiritual side prays that he finds peace and comes to terms with God and gets past this rough spot in his life. Either way, I hope you all learn from this, and instead of using it to create more malcontent, perhaps learn to communicate and work with the staff, instead of against it-it will make the boards run smoother, cause you to have less frustration, and allow problems to be solved far faster and easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted December 17, 2015 7 minutes ago, the_patriot2015 said: .... As for the op here, Ive seen his posting style, hes been very provacative, rude, and arrogant, multiple times, and liked to create fights. I dont know why the mods made his posts dissappear, I suspect he does, and he started this thread just to try to stir up hate and miscontent against the mods as revenge on the way out. My human side wants to say good riddance, but my spiritual side prays that he finds peace and comes to terms with God and gets past this rough spot in his life. Either way, I hope you all learn from this, and instead of using it to create more malcontent, perhaps learn to communicate and work with the staff, instead of against it-it will make the boards run smoother, cause you to have less frustration, and allow problems to be solved far faster and easier. IMO, he's had a chip on his shoulder from day one; at first I thought he was just another troll, but that may have been too superficial an observation on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie333 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,236 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 673 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/18/1970 Share Posted December 17, 2015 On 12/14/2015 at 0:11 AM, gdemoss said: No, I prefer public rebuke before all to those that sin against others through fear veiled as love. Fear should not rule us. Sometimes things get messy. I prefer the truth not be eapunged from public veiw for that is dangerous. Of course that is not extended to spammers who sneak in and put up vile images or porn links but rather making ones self judge of whether something is 'edifying' or not. I have grown most by hanging out with theives, liars, whores and murders whose mouths cannot depart from profanity. By eating with publicans and sinners I have truly learned about grace but don't dare get out of line at worthy while breaking bread or you'll be considered nonedifying and need to be censored. That is sad. Everyone must achieve your ideal of a bottom standard to even be allowed to speak on a board or be done away with. That isn't true ministry. Especially when someone is allowed to continually go about telling everyone else just how stupid, ignorant and uneducated they are while others are being silenced. Iniquity, that is what it is. Our leaders are supposed to be trusted servants rather than governors. The Lord rebuke those who would act otherwise. While I always will agree we could always improve upon our methods, actions and responses here... I do find it curious as to how you say you wish to make something public, but then be veiled in your post accomplishes anything other than more division. People are not perfect here or anywhere else, we do all we can here to keep this site up and going... Aside from George, there are only 3 of us moderating the boards and do the best we can to actually be present, keep the peace, minister to others, witness, stop trolls and spam and separate grown adults not acting like adults sometimes... If you have a grievance against me or one of the other 2 moderators, I would rather you have came to us personally and not went the route of public display right out the the chute... and label what seems to be 1 or both of the two remaining of us ( assuming from your comment to Omega) as sinning against others veiled as love... you do realize the boards are the least censored now than they have been in 3 years? You have an issue with another user here that's apparent.... but to flip things around about how much grace you have learned and then exhibit a lack of it in your accusations against the staff is disheartening. If I have wronged people, or have falsely professed anything outside of scripture on Worthy, I would please ask that you or anyone else come and speak with me personally ... I will even talk to whomever on the phone.. ... God Bless, Hip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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