Who makes sinners into saints?

[Ezra]

Does God make sinners into saints by His grace or do men declare certain individuals to be "saints"?  Here is another example of false doctrine regarding saints:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/EU-REL-Vatican-Mother-Teresa/2015/12/18/id/706318/

What does the Bible teach about sinners become saints?  That's the real issue.

[manuelf324]

Jesus Christ is the Only way to heaven. Is blood is what converts sinners to saints it called baptismal regeneration. It's a spiritual conversion from sinner to Saint. Biblical salvation are the real saints the fake ones are canonized which is heresy

[thereselittleflower]

22 hours ago, Ezra said:

Does God make sinners into saints by His grace or do men declare certain individuals to be "saints"?  Here is another example of false doctrine regarding saints:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/EU-REL-Vatican-Mother-Teresa/2015/12/18/id/706318/

What does the Bible teach about sinners become saints?  That's the real issue.

Ezra why do you insist on so grossly misrepresenting the faith of others?

All believers are saints.

Those whose lives are exemplary examples of living the christian faith are RECOGNIZED as a saint and thus given the title saint.  That does not mean that others aren't saints.  It simply means that these are people we can look to as examples of the faith.

To take giving the title saint to someone and turn it into a false claim that anyone not given that title is not a saint, or that a saint is created by a title, especially as it's been explained to you before, is very disingenuous yet we see the same false claims being made yet still.

No man creates a saint.  But we can recognize that someone is as saint.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with recognizing the saintliness of others.

[Guest shiloh357]

23 hours ago, Ezra said:

Does God make sinners into saints by His grace or do men declare certain individuals to be "saints"?  Here is another example of false doctrine regarding saints:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/EU-REL-Vatican-Mother-Teresa/2015/12/18/id/706318/

What does the Bible teach about sinners become saints?  That's the real issue.

According to the RCC, even Michael the Archangel is a saint.  They worship him daily just like they worship Mary

[thereselittleflower]

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=194968&content_commentid=2304206

[Guest shiloh357]

One only needs to actually read the texts of these prayers to see how the RCC worships angels and Mary and heaps worships on dead so-called "saints."

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, thereselittleflower said:

Ezra why do you insist on so grossly misrepresenting the faith of others?

That statement would be funny if the matter was not so serious.  Did you read the article? Mother Teresa will be declared " a saint" because she worked some "miracles".  Is that how God makes saints, or is that how the RCC declares saints?  So tell us, are you a saint, or will you be waiting for the Pope to declare that you worked some miracles and are therefore a saint?

[thereselittleflower]

 

4 minutes ago, Ezra said:

That statement would be funny if the matter was not so serious.  Did you read the article? Mother Teresa will be declared " a saint" because she worked some "miracles".  Is that how God makes saints, or is that how the RCC declares saints?  So tell us, are you a saint, or will you be waiting for the Pope to declare that you worked some miracles and are therefore a saint?

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/194968-vatican-jews-can-be-saved-without-christ/?do=findComment&comment=2304213

 

 

 

[MorningGlory]

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

According to the RCC, even Michael the Archangel is a saint.  They worship him daily just like they worship Mary

I didn't know that.  Michael can't be a saint because he was never a human.  I don't get it. 

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

I didn't know that.  Michael can't be a saint because he was never a human.  I don't get it. 

Oh yes.   Here is the text of that prayer: 

"St. Michael, the Archangel! Glorious Prince, chief and champion of the heavenly hosts; guardian of the souls of men; conqueror of the rebel angels! How beautiful art thou, in thy heaven-made armor. We love thee, dear Prince of Heaven!

We, thy happy clients, yearn to enjoy thy special protection. Obtain for us from God a share of thy sturdy courage; pray that we may have a strong and tender love for our Redeemer and, in every danger or temptation, be invincible against the enemy of our souls. O standard-bearer of our salvation! Be with us in our last moments and when our souls quit this earthly exile, carry them safely to the judgement seat of Christ, and may Our Lord and Master bid thee bear us speedily to the kingdom of eternal bliss. Teach us ever to repeat the sublime cry: "Who is like unto God?" Amen."

They also pray to guardian angels too.  They even pray to the angel that comforted Jesus in the Garden.   and if you read these texts of prayers to angels, you get the distinct impression that Catholicism doesn't really rely on or need the Holy Spirit, because everything they ask angels for, is supplied to the Christian by the Holy Spirit.