To Be, Or Not To Be (?)

[Reinitin]

11 hours ago, Reinitin said:

One

Then why do you speak as if there is more than one?

I am not sure who the "you" is that speaks as their are more then one. Are you refering to Trinitarians? I'm not actually sure what trinitarians you are speaking of. I have heard several different teaching on the God head, three in one, three persons, tri un God. I also have heard many different teachings on. One God, Oneness, etc. 

" Jesus never referred His Disciples to The God (OF) Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob-Israel.

Jesus referred His Disciples to His God.  Not to The God (OF) Abraham Isaac and Jacob."

I could sit here all day and point out scriptures like Luke 1,  look what the angel tells Mary in verse 68-79

or Matt 22: 29-32

But to use scriptures instead of verse doctrine to show the above quote is not true I will use our Lords pray in John 17. You can read all of it to see why I say it makes the bulleted statement not true.

The part I really would drive home the truth with is.

verse 20-21

I pray not only for these,
but also for those who believe in Me
through their message.
²¹ May they all be one,
as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You.
May they also be one^[f] in Us,
so the world may believe You sent Me.

 

Peter is one of these he is praying for. Peter after being filled with the Holy Spirt comes out of the box in acts 3: 12-15

“Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this? Or why do you stare at us, as though we had made him walk by our own power or godliness? ¹³ The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers,has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. ¹⁴ But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and asked to have a murderer given to you. ¹⁵ You killed the source^[d] of life, whom God raised from the dead; we are witnesses of this. 

 

Jesus did refer his disciples to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob as the only God our Lord came to give us eternal life through.

 

by the way, there are probably 50 or more ways to show the above statement is not scripturely sound. If you like I can give you a reading list?

 

 

 

 

[RevelationWriter]

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 8:10 PM, thereselittleflower said:

 

 

Let me ask again - maybe you missed my question before 

 

How many Gods are there?

 

 

 

 

Ask God, He is "The Lord God of gods" - Josh.22:22

Ask Jesus, He said The Jews are gods. - John 10:34

[RevelationWriter]

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 8:19 AM, Reinitin said:

Then why do you speak as if there is more than one?

I am not sure who the "you" is that speaks as their are more then one. Are you refering to Trinitarians? I'm not actually sure what trinitarians you are speaking of. I have heard several different teaching on the God head, three in one, three persons, tri un God. I also have heard many different teachings on. One God, Oneness, etc. 

" Jesus never referred His Disciples to The God (OF) Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob-Israel.

Jesus referred His Disciples to His God.  Not to The God (OF) Abraham Isaac and Jacob."

I could sit here all day and point out scriptures like Luke 1,  look what the angel tells Mary in verse 68-79

or Matt 22: 29-32

But to use scriptures instead of verse doctrine to show the above quote is not true I will use our Lords pray in John 17. You can read all of it to see why I say it makes the bulleted statement not true.

The part I really would drive home the truth with is.

verse 20-21

I pray not only for these,
but also for those who believe in Me
through their message.
²¹ May they all be one,
as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You.
May they also be one^[f] in Us,
so the world may believe You sent Me.

 

Peter is one of these he is praying for. Peter after being filled with the Holy Spirt comes out of the box in acts 3: 12-15

“Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this? Or why do you stare at us, as though we had made him walk by our own power or godliness? ¹³ The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers,has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. ¹⁴ But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and asked to have a murderer given to you. ¹⁵ You killed the source^[d] of life, whom God raised from the dead; we are witnesses of this. 

 

Jesus did refer his disciples to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob as the only God our Lord came to give us eternal life through.

 

by the way, there are probably 50 or more ways to show the above statement is not scripturely sound. If you like I can give you a reading list?

 

 

 

 

Still can't quote Jesus referring His disciples to The God (OF) Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

But Jesus did refer His disciples to HIS God. - John 20:17

- My God, Is Also The God (OF) Jesus.

NEVER, EVER Did Jesus Refer His followers to:  'The God Of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.'

So for what false doctrine would others refer us to, The God OF Someone Else Other Than Jesus' God?

Because Jesus didn't refer us to "The God (OF) Israel". 

Jesus refers us to His God as our God.

That's good enough 'doctrine' to me. 

 

[thereselittleflower]

22 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

Ask God, He is "The Lord God of gods" - Josh.22:22

Ask Jesus, He said The Jews are gods. - John 10:34

So you believe there is more than one God, correct?

But you won't or can't tell me how many?

[RevelationWriter]

6 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

So you believe there is more than one God, correct?

But you won't or can't tell me how many?

Although we are gods. As 'sons of God'.

There is only one God that I Worship as "The Only (TRUE) God. As Jesus said. - John 17

But as Jesus said again, BECAUSE our Father 'committed all Judgment to The Son (THAT) All Should Honor The Son JUST AS They Honor The Father. - John 5:22

I Honor The Son Just As I Honor My Father.

BECAUSE, Jesus said, 'he that does not Honor-The FATHER, does not Honor The Son. - John 5:22

- Does your doctrine tell you the opposite; he that does not honor The Son does not honor The Father (?)  

I Honor The Father, Therefor Also I Honor The Son. Just As Jesus said.

- I give you verses. But your false trinity doctrine will not let you believe them. -

[thereselittleflower]

     

5 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

Although we are gods. As 'sons of God'.

There is only one God that I Worship as "The Only (TRUE) God. As Jesus said. - John 17

But as Jesus said again, BECAUSE our Father 'committed all Judgment to The Son (THAT) All Should Honor The Son JUST AS They Honor The Father. - John 5:22

I Honor The Son Just As I Honor My Father.

BECAUSE, Jesus said, 'he that does not Honor-The FATHER, does not Honor The Son. - John 5:22

- Does your doctrine tell you the opposite; he that does not honor The Son does not honor The Father (?)  

I Honor The Father, Therefor Also I Honor The Son. Just As Jesus said.

- I give you verses. But your false trinity doctrine will not let you believe them. -

You speak of Jesus as if he is different than God.

 

Is Jesus God?

 

And if the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is different than Jesus' God, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

 

 

 

[RevelationWriter]

I don't deny Peter tried to convince 'the men of Israel' that Jesus was glorified by The God of their fathers.

 

[RevelationWriter]

10 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

     

You speak of Jesus as if he is different than God.

 

Is Jesus God?

 

And if the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is different than Jesus' God, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

 

 

 

- Did Jesus come to show that He Himself is The God OF Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (?)  No.

Jesus came to show them The Father.

Jesus said, "I and The Father are one"

Jesus did not say, I and God are one.

[Reinitin]

57 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

Still can't quote Jesus referring His disciples to The God (OF) Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

But Jesus did refer His disciples to HIS God. - John 20:17

- My God, Is Also The God (OF) Jesus.

NEVER, EVER Did Jesus Refer His followers to:  'The God Of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.'

So for what false doctrine would others refer us to, The God OF Someone Else Other Than Jesus' God?

Because Jesus didn't refer us to "The God (OF) Israel". 

Jesus refers us to His God as our God.

That's good enough 'doctrine' to me. 

 

Luke 24:27 Did the bible record all Jesus taught?  Who's word did he teach them from? Obviously he revealed him self and his father to His Disciples and we do not have record of all he said. But, We do have their witness of all he taught them. They all came out proclaiming the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob not just Peter, John was with Him and all the diciples. Jacob Prophecied Christ and the full number of gentile grafted into the promise in his blessing of his 12 sons and 2 grand children Genesis 48. I must be misinterpreting what your saying cause Messiah coming from the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob is a thread that has ran through scripture of Israels God aka Zions God aka Abraham Issac and Jacobs God aka Jonahs God aka Davids God aka Daniels God etc for thousands of years.

[RevelationWriter]

Yes, I am saved.