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[SavedOnebyGrace]

8 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

Poor you  Do you need some help ? , I can always fly over in my private jet .

In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' "  [NIV, Acts 20:35]
 

[Guest Thallasa]

14 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' "  [NIV, Acts 20:35]
 

 Amen .

[OakWood]

4 hours ago, Thallasa said:

Well it was like that among christians too ,so lets not get too proud please .

No,that's not true. You're judging the actions of individuals instead of reading scripture.

The Bible does NOT condone violence against women - the Q'uran DOES and that is the difference!

Stop making moral equivalences where there are none. Saying it was like that among Christians is a ridiculous statement to make and completely irrelevant to the discussion. Nobody here is against Muslims but we are against Islam.

Muslims are people. Islam is a religious ideology. They are two different things. However, many Muslims follow Islam so we have to criticise their actions too.

[Guest Thallasa]

21 minutes ago, OakWood said:

No,that's not true. You're judging the actions of individuals instead of reading scripture.

The Bible does NOT condone violence against women - the Q'uran DOES and that is the difference!

Stop making moral equivalences where there are none. Saying it was like that among Christians is a ridiculous statement to make and completely irrelevant to the discussion. Nobody here is against Muslims but we are against Islam.

Muslims are people. Islam is a religious ideology. They are two different things. However, many Muslims follow Islam so we have to criticise their actions too.

I cannot remember enough from reading the koran many years ago ,but I am not sure that violence against women is there . I know that in Saudi Arabia , run by the Saudi family ,that there is  a particularly nasty version . If people do not know Jesus ,(the only way those who are not from the west ) ,they get their idea of Him,  from christians behaviour ,not having read the Bible ,so what would they think ? What impression would they get of women in the West today ?

I am all for criticising individual Moslems and their religion ,but we must accept to be criticised too .

[Guest Thallasa]

4 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Not in my house.  I'm always wrong and apologizing for one thing or the other. 

Well you are doing fine here ,adding to the wisdom we need .

[SavedOnebyGrace]

1 minute ago, Thallasa said:

Well you are doing fine here ,adding to the wisdom we need .

Thank you.  You're being too kind but I'll take it.  I need a little kindness today.

[Guest Thallasa]

9 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Thank you.  You're being too kind but I'll take it.  I need a little kindness today.

Some days are like that  ,but I am not being too kind ,just fair .

[OakWood]

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

I cannot remember enough from reading the koran many years ago ,but I am not sure that violence against women is there . I know that in Saudi Arabia , run by the Saudi family ,that there is  a particularly nasty version . If people do not know Jesus ,(the only way those who are not from the west ) ,they get their idea of Him,  from christians behaviour ,not having read the Bible ,so what would they think ? What impression would they get of women in the West today ?

I am all for criticising individual Moslems and their religion ,but we must accept to be criticised too .

It's in there........ violence against women is in there, I can assure you.

Islam deserves criticism because it is Satanism by another name.

Around the year 610 AD Mohammed the founder of the religion received a revelation given to him by an angel....... he claimed that the revelation was the word of God and with that word he introduced a false scripture

Now consider what is said in the Book of Galatians:

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galations 1:8

Mohammed also preached that Jesus was not divine, that he did not die on the cross, that he was not the Son of God and that he was just a prophet and a lesser prophet in importance to Mohammed himself. Mohammed referred to himself as the 'seal of the prophets' the last and greatest of them all. But Mohammed was a false prophet who twisted the words of the Gospel to suit his own ambitions.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1st John 2:22

Islam was created around 500 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, and it preaches that there is no salvation through the cross, in fact Muslims despise the sign of the cross. This is pure evil. Allah, the false god is none other than Satan in disguise!

Muslim scripture refers to Allah as the great deceiver, but we know that God is not a deceiver. Who is the deceiver but none other than Satan himself, the Father of Lies?

Islam should not be defended by any true Christian. It is evil through and through. As for Christianity, well it cannot be criticised because it comes from the word of God and the word of God is perfect. Sure, individual Christians are not beyond criticism.... but not our belief itself. Islam, on the other hand should not be tolerated. It has no place among God-fearing Christians. Muslims need to escape this evil cult and turn to Christ, the true Jesus, not the false Jesus spoken of in the Q'uran. Islam will only lead them to Hell.

If Muslims referred to their religion as 'Satanism' would you defend their scripture? No, I'm sure that you wouldn't, so why make excuses for it now? It's got nothing to do with Saudi Arabia. There are no nasty versions of Islam, there is only Islam and it really is nasty. You wouldn't claim that there is a nasty version of Christianity would you? You either understand the Bible or you don't. Likewise there are no nasty versions of Islam. There is only the Q'uran and it preaches violence against non-Muslims. However it also teaches Muslims to be cunning and to pretend to be our friends when they are not. Mohammed used the same tactics to conquer his enemies. He pretended to come in peace then hew would stab them in the back when they were least expecting it. This practise is known as 'taqiyya'. Muslims are actually allowed to tell lies to non-Muslims and it is not considered to be a sin!

 

[Guest Thallasa]

2 hours ago, OakWood said:

It's in there........ violence against women is in there, I can assure you.

Islam deserves criticism because it is Satanism by another name.

Around the year 610 AD Mohammed the founder of the religion received a revelation given to him by an angel....... he claimed that the revelation was the word of God and with that word he introduced a false scripture

Now consider what is said in the Book of Galatians:

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galations 1:8

Mohammed also preached that Jesus was not divine, that he did not die on the cross, that he was not the Son of God and that he was just a prophet and a lesser prophet in importance to Mohammed himself. Mohammed referred to himself as the 'seal of the prophets' the last and greatest of them all. But Mohammed was a false prophet who twisted the words of the Gospel to suit his own ambitions.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1st John 2:22

Islam was created around 500 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, and it preaches that there is no salvation through the cross, in fact Muslims despise the sign of the cross. This is pure evil. Allah, the false god is none other than Satan in disguise!

Muslim scripture refers to Allah as the great deceiver, but we know that God is not a deceiver. Who is the deceiver but none other than Satan himself, the Father of Lies?

Islam should not be defended by any true Christian. It is evil through and through. As for Christianity, well it cannot be criticised because it comes from the word of God and the word of God is perfect. Sure, individual Christians are not beyond criticism.... but not our belief itself. Islam, on the other hand should not be tolerated. It has no place among God-fearing Christians. Muslims need to escape this evil cult and turn to Christ, the true Jesus, not the false Jesus spoken of in the Q'uran. Islam will only lead them to Hell.

If Muslims referred to their religion as 'Satanism' would you defend their scripture? No, I'm sure that you wouldn't, so why make excuses for it now? It's got nothing to do with Saudi Arabia. There are no nasty versions of Islam, there is only Islam and it really is nasty. You wouldn't claim that there is a nasty version of Christianity would you? You either understand the Bible or you don't. Likewise there are no nasty versions of Islam. There is only the Q'uran and it preaches violence against non-Muslims. However it also teaches Muslims to be cunning and to pretend to be our friends when they are not. Mohammed used the same tactics to conquer his enemies. He pretended to come in peace then hew would stab them in the back when they were least expecting it. This practise is known as 'taqiyya'. Muslims are actually allowed to tell lies to non-Muslims and it is not considered to be a sin!

 

You are assuming too much Oakwood ,that I defend Islam and  that I know nothing about it .Not so .But over emotional posts which preach hatred are not helpful at all .Most people know very little really about history and the place of their religion ,and it's beliefs .Is that not in part why we are here ? Many of those born into Islam know very little about it ,and given the chance quite few might become christian ,but I have said this before, that bombing their countries ,stealing their oïl ,setting up dictators and then murdering them ,is that christian ? And what if that is all they ever know about christianity ,that and holywood and billions worth of porno .Don't you see that you cannot be a christian if you deny criticising  the west and yet always are detesting Islam . I am now in a town ,where abut 12% of the population is Moslem and it is the most peaceful place (the rest are cathoic or non believers )I have ever lived in . I am not fooled by the fact that in the long run the religion is false ,but then so are many so called christians who give a bad witness to their God ,Jesus Christ .

No one carries guns here ,there is no need to . I have lived in the U.K and known the hatred which often spouted out of 'actions' of a 'christian nation ' .

A lot of people here seem to think that Christ is a talisman ,which if you say aloud that you believe in him you are a Christian. I don't believe that ,and it is to ignore so much of scripture to think that .If your heart is not over time transformed bit by bit by letting Him do the work ,it means nothing . We must also be just, in our dealing with others .

At one time the Irish were The Hated, and the Blacks ,the Jews ,the Russians . When does it stop ? It stops when christians look closely at themselves, take responsibility for their actions of the past and the present and God will take care of the future .  

So for this thread Germany will sort out it's internal politics ,and each country must do the same ,but I am not afraid of 'them ', as I am more afraid of the West and it's weapons of mass destruction ,and much more . Being spyed on by American technology , yes even our president 's private phone ; thats what IS terrifying . Maybe in 60 years ,if God has not sorted it all out for us ,it will be a problem living in Islam ,but then I hope to be gone from here, long before .

[OldSchool2]

4 hours ago, Thallasa said:

I cannot remember enough from reading the koran many years ago ,but I am not sure that violence against women is there....

Sheikh Yousef al-Qaradhawi said: "It is forbidden to beat the woman, unless it is necessary ... one may beat only to safeguard Islamic behavior," therefore wife-beating is a matter of religious sanction.