Science and the Bible...

[*Zion*]

Oh really, Goldenshark?  Have you handled this proof yourself?

1 John 1 v 1

1 [We are writing] about the Word of Life [[a]in] Him Who existed from the beginning, Whom we have heard, Whom we have seen with our [own] eyes, Whom we have gazed upon [for ourselves] and have touched with our [own] hands.

[thereselittleflower]

10 hours ago, *Zion* said:

Wow.

 

 

Genesis 1:27

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.

John 1:14

And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth.

 

 

Of course you want more proof, but I can't call down a sign from heaven for you. I don't seek such things, I am just happy to believe though I have not seen.  Take it or leave it, but your argument will be with the Word of God, not with me.

 

• Genesis 1:27

  27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Where does it say that image is physical?

 

• John 1:14

  And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth

Where does it say that glory is physical?

[*Zion*]

TLF, Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, right?  Well now, let's see:  where does it say the particular word physically right there?  I mean, maybe he was just symbolically born of her?  Or she was symbolically a virgin?  Or she was just symbolically His mother?  

Is this how you view the whole of God's Word?  That is a real, genuine question.  I really hope you answer it.

 

[thereselittleflower]

18 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

TLF, Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, right?  Well now, let's see:  where does it say the particular word physically right there?  I mean, maybe he was just symbolically born of her?  Or she was symbolically a virgin?  Or she was just symbolically His mother?  

Is this how you view the whole of God's Word?  That is a real, genuine question.  I really hope you answer it.

 

I aksed some very specific questions though Zion

 

• Genesis 1:27

  27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Where does it say that image is physical?

 

The word translated image is this:

• צֶלֶם tselem, tseh'-lem; from an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:—image, vain shew.

 

This is not a word that is referring to something physical, but something ethereal.    There is nothing in the use of this word that requires we understand the image God is referring to is physical or the physical body of man.

The word of God says when God created man, that he formed the body from the dust of the earth and breathed into man, and he became a living SOUL.

It is the soul, the ethereal part of man, that is made in the image of God Zion.

 

And yes, Jesus was like us, with a physical body and a spiritual soul, but also with God's divine nature, God the Son united to the human nature of Jesus.   And I asked you:

• John 1:14

  And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth

Where does it say that glory is physical?

 

I've used the scripture as you presented it, but it has your interpolations added within it and I don't think that's a very good way to present scripture, for it adds to what is written.

• Jhn 1:14

  ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The word glory is:

• δόξα dóxa, dox'-ah; from the base of G1380; glory (as very apparent), in a wide application (literal or figurative, objective or subjective):—dignity, glory(-ious), honour, praise, worship.

• opinion, judgment, view

• opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone

  1. in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory

• splendour, brightness

  1. of the moon, sun, stars

  2. magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace

  3. majesty

     1. a thing belonging to God

        1. the kingly majesty which belongs to him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute perfection of the deity

     2. a thing belonging to Christ

        1. the kingly majesty of the Messiah

        2. the absolutely perfect inward or personal excellency of Christ; the majesty

     3. of the angels

        1. as apparent in their exterior brightness

• a most glorious condition, most exalted state

  1. of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth

  2. the glorious condition of blessedness into which is appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter after their Saviour's return from heaven

 

This isn't of necessity talking about Jesus' physical body.

Man straddles both the physical and the spiritual.

So there is actually nothing that mandates we understand either to be speaking of our physical bodies or Christ's physical body, so there is nothing in scripture that actually contradicts the view that while physically we belong to the animal kingdom that spiritually we are made in God's image.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[*Zion*]

Funny how man straddles both physical and spiritual, but God's Word is not allowed to do the same by certain view points and standards.

Sorry, were my questions not specific enough?  When should we be specific about the Bible and when should we be all general like?  When is it holy and inspired and when is is subject to human interpretation?  Hence my final question:

Is this how you view the whole of God's Word?  Again, it is a real, genuine question, and a valid one.  I really hope you answer it.

[thereselittleflower]

7 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

Funny how man straddles both physical and spiritual, but God's Word is not allowed to do the same by certain view points and standards.

Sorry, were my questions not specific enough?  When should we be specific about the Bible and when should we be all general like?  When is it holy and inspired and when is is subject to human interpretation?  Hence my final question:

Is this how you view the whole of God's Word?  Again, it is a real, genuine question, and a valid one.  I really hope you answer it.

Your questions don't make any sense Zion.

Your claims ignore the underlying Hebrew and Greek and what the words actually mean.

There is nothing in these verses that require we understand they refer to the physical body.

Biology shows how we are very much related in our physical body to the animal kingdom.  That is something that can't be ignored with any intellectual honesty.

 

[gdemoss]

Paul differentiated male from female when speaking about who was created in the image of God.  It is speaking of covering the physical head which is made after the similitude or image of God.  

My question is "what doctrines come into question if it is really talking about physical appearance?".

 

[*Zion*]

I see, so when you ask those kinds of questions, you don't ignore anything - you take everything into 100% consideration, ignoring nothing?  Right, right...

You don't have to answer my question, in fact you have ignored it the many, many times I have asked it.  That's interesting.

[thereselittleflower]

2 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

I see, so when you ask those kinds of questions, you don't ignore anything - you take everything into 100% consideration, ignoring nothing?  Right, right...

You don't have to answer my question, in fact you have ignored it the many, many times I have asked it.  That's interesting.

How can I answer a question that doesn' t make sense in the context of my posts?

And yes, I try to take everything into consideration, and not just read the bible in a language it was never written in, and in a time it was never written in, and in a culture and mindset it was never written to.

 

 

[*Zion*]

Just to get things straight, I actually love science, as for me it actually is just one more the Word of God to me.  When something seeks to defy or come against the Word of God, I take issue.  As many others here do.  We are united in His Word, for by His Word we came to believe in Him.