Christendom fights back? Yes or no?

[OakWood]

I have a serious question to ask.

Can anybody tell me (from scripture) - is the End Times victory going to come purely from the hand of God or are Christians involved too?

We know from the Bible that sometimes God carries out justice by himself, but sometimes he likes his people to do it on his behalf (when the Jews were asked to carry out the slaughter of the Canaanites for example).

Will there be a Christian revival? Are we supposed to get involved and fight back? Will the final victory come from Jesus and the angels alone or will there be a similar parallel victory here on Earth where armies of Christian warriors fight the anti-Christ and all those who serve him? I mean, a real physical war.

And please don't answer with "oh no, everything comes from God. God knows everything. We do nothing. Without him we are hopeless" because that's not very helpful and will not be answering my question. Is there anywhere in scripture that suggests that it is our duty to be involved in the final battle?

Will there be a revival of the Church? Will Christian nations rise to the glory days of yesteryear? Can we expect to see the saints battling the forces of darkness?

You might think that I should know the answer to this question already but the Book of Revelation especially is full of symbolism and analogies and I'm beginning to look at it in a different light.

 

[de1929]

20 hours ago, OakWood said:

I have a serious question to ask.

Can anybody tell me (from scripture) - is the End Times victory going to come purely from the hand of God or are Christians involved too?

We know from the Bible that sometimes God carries out justice by himself, but sometimes he likes his people to do it on his behalf (when the Jews were asked to carry out the slaughter of the Canaanites for example).

Will there be a Christian revival? Are we supposed to get involved and fight back? Will the final victory come from Jesus and the angels alone or will there be a similar parallel victory here on Earth where armies of Christian warriors fight the anti-Christ and all those who serve him? I mean, a real physical war.

And please don't answer with "oh no, everything comes from God. God knows everything. We do nothing. Without him we are hopeless" because that's not very helpful and will not be answering my question. Is there anywhere in scripture that suggests that it is our duty to be involved in the final battle?

Will there be a revival of the Church? Will Christian nations rise to the glory days of yesteryear? Can we expect to see the saints battling the forces of darkness?

You might think that I should know the answer to this question already but the Book of Revelation especially is full of symbolism and analogies and I'm beginning to look at it in a different light.

 

Short answer for Q1: it's collaboration. 

Q: Will there be a Christian revival?
A: Yes, Habakuk saying the knowledge of glory of GOD will fill the earth.

Q: Are we supposed to get involved and fight back?
A: yes, but follow GOD's detailed instruction. Maybe with armed forces, maybe media influence, maybe evangelism, maybe combinations ? only GOD knows all detail for incoming events.

Q: Will the final victory come from Jesus and the angels alone or will there be a similar parallel victory here on Earth where armies of Christian warriors fight the anti-Christ and all those who serve him? I mean, a real physical war.
A: I don't know. 

-- My comments --

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[other one]

revelation chapter 13 paraphrase.....     "I'm going to throw you under the bus, but I'll make it up to you later"

Don't expect good things during the rule of the beasts  they have already been given authority physically over us.

[OakWood]

18 minutes ago, other one said:

revelation chapter 13 paraphrase.....     "I'm going to throw you under the bus, but I'll make it up to you later"

Don't expect good things during the rule of the beasts  they have already been given authority physically over us.

But what about after the rule of the beasts, during the final showdown?

[Sister]

21 hours ago, OakWood said:

I have a serious question to ask.

Can anybody tell me (from scripture) - is the End Times victory going to come purely from the hand of God or are Christians involved too?

We know from the Bible that sometimes God carries out justice by himself, but sometimes he likes his people to do it on his behalf (when the Jews were asked to carry out the slaughter of the Canaanites for example).

Will there be a Christian revival? Are we supposed to get involved and fight back? Will the final victory come from Jesus and the angels alone or will there be a similar parallel victory here on Earth where armies of Christian warriors fight the anti-Christ and all those who serve him? I mean, a real physical war.

And please don't answer with "oh no, everything comes from God. God knows everything. We do nothing. Without him we are hopeless" because that's not very helpful and will not be answering my question. Is there anywhere in scripture that suggests that it is our duty to be involved in the final battle?

Will there be a revival of the Church? Will Christian nations rise to the glory days of yesteryear? Can we expect to see the saints battling the forces of darkness?

You might think that I should know the answer to this question already but the Book of Revelation especially is full of symbolism and analogies and I'm beginning to look at it in a different light.

 

Oakwood

The battle we are about to enter is a spiritual one.  These verses seem to cover your question.

 

   Ephesians 6:10   Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

  Ephesians 6:11   Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

  Ephesians 6:12   For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

  Ephesians 6:13   Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

  Ephesians 6:14   Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

  Ephesians 6:15   And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

  Ephesians 6:16   Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

  Ephesians 6:17   And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
 

 

[Sister]

10 minutes ago, OakWood said:

But what about after the rule of the beasts, during the final showdown?

If we have come out of Babylon, we wont be part-taking in any physical war or killings.

[other one]

2 hours ago, OakWood said:

But what about after the rule of the beasts, during the final showdown?

most of us will be dead...  sooooo,  then we get to come back with him...

 

In Revelation Chapter 12 when the dark ones are kicked out of heaven, God makes a place for the Jews to go hide from Satan.....   I'm hoping that would be Oklahoma....    we are still pretty much a Christian State and are refusing to take any of the Islamic refugees.  So maybe we can make this a safe place from the Beasts....     but then again that trip back with Jesus would definitely be worth dying for.

[OakWood]

On 20/01/2016 at 1:33 PM, Sister said:

On 20/01/2016 at 1:33 PM, Sister said:

If we have come out of Babylon, we wont be part-taking in any physical war or killings.

If we have come out of Babylon, we wont be part-taking in any physical war or killings.

Can you back this up with scripture please?

[Sister]

On 21/1/2016 at 5:03 AM, OakWood said:

Can you back this up with scripture please?

Our fight is what I quoted above in Ephesians.  It's a spiritual fight.  God uses the wicked to destroy the wicked, and the God fearing will keep all Christ's commandments.

If you are speaking of at the Coming, when the saints come with Christ for the takeover, it's Christ that does the job with the sword of his mouth.  Christ executes the vengance of our Father.  Not us.

Nahum 1:2   God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

 

 

 

[Ezra]

On 19/01/2016 at 8:31 AM, OakWood said:

Can anybody tell me (from scripture) - is the End Times victory going to come purely from the hand of God or are Christians involved too?

Christians are involved only to the extent that the saints are observers.  It is Christ Himself who will destroy His enemies and set up His Kingdom. The destruction will be supernatural.