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[Vendtre]

3 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

What in your view is the correct one?

I don't know, I think they all get it wrong in parts.  In the end I came to the conclusion it does not matter what I think.  What will happen will happen.  When it does we will all know who was right.  Till then it is all just a guess.  

Personally I hope you are correct, if I am still alive I would love to miss those bad times. 

[HAZARD]

14 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

I likely know more than either of you, it is that knowledge that gives me the wisdom to know just how much I really don't know.

God used highly figurative, prophetic language in the book of revelation.  Why did he do that?  

Why did God use a creature with 10 horns and seven heads and the body of a leopard  with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion instead of using plain, non-figurative language? 

Why has this topic been debated for 2000 years if it is so plain and obvious?  Why are there threads defending all three views if the correct one is so very easy to understand?   Why do you assume you have it figured out and all the others are wrong?

This topic is so simple to understand those who say they know the most about it more than likely know the least. Do you understand the truth about Daniels 70 Weeks and what it literally means? Can you explain this to us the unlearned, unwashed babes who need some expert to interpret it?

Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29).

Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Tribulation. Dan. 9:24-27.

 

The Tribulation will begin to affect Israel before the seventieth week begins. And when the Antichrist rises at the beginning of the Week, Israel will be undergoing persecution by the whore and the ten kings of Revised Rome who are dominated by the whore until the middle of the week. The Antichrist will make a seven years covenant with Israel assuring them protection in their continued establishment as a nation, Dan. 9:27.

The Jews will not accept Catholicism when it again dominates the nations of the old world and begins to murder all heretics as it has done in the past. Because Jews will not submit, there will be a widespread persecution of the Jews and “theywill be hated of all nations” during the time of “the beginning of sorrows” when the Antichrist will be endeavoring to conquer all these nations, Matt. 24:4-12.

Antichrist will need Jewish moral and financial support to help him rise over these nations, so he will make an alliance with them for seven years. Therefore, the time of the Tribulation is during the whole of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, Dan. 9:27. It will end at the second Advent, Matt. 24:29-31.

[Vendtre]

Thank you for offering your view, you do a fine job with it and I am sure you are convinced of your correctness.  And you might be right...till it happens we won't know for sure, that is the very nature of prophesy 

[MorningGlory]

3 hours ago, Vendtre said:

Actually I am doing just the opposite of judging other Christians beliefs.  What is weird is that you cannot even bring yourself to admit there is more than one view of what will happen in the end times.  

More judgment on your part.  If you had been here as long as some who are reading this you would know that I have roundly debated every view under the sun over the past ten years.  I don't try to deny anyone their beliefs; that's above my pay grade.  You assume much but you are SO off track it's laughable.  And you have toally derailed this thread.

[Vendtre]

3 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

More judgment on your part.  If you had been here as long as some who are reading this you would know that I have roundly debated every view under the sun over the past ten years.  I don't try to deny anyone their beliefs; that's above my pay grade.  You assum much but you SO off track it's laughable.  And you have toally derailed this thread.

And yet in this very thread your stated there is only ONE view.  

You can't seem to keep up with your own post.

[HAZARD]

11 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

Thank you for offering your view, you do a fine job with it and I am sure you are convinced of your correctness.  And you might be right...till it happens we won't know for sure, that is the very nature of prophesy 

The thing is, its not my view, and I'm convinced its correct in every detail because I quoted Scripture out of the very  Word of God straight, yes, not my idea, pet theory, or traditions handed down, its straight out of His Holy Book. I'm a simple coal miner, hardly any schooling, no seminary, no Bible collage, I couldn't make this up if I tried and had a hundred extra years to live  I simply believe what God has written. For an expert you have much to say yet hardly an Scriptures to support what you say?

[MorningGlory]

5 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The thing is, its not my view, and I'm convinced its correct in every detail because I quoted Scripture out of the very  Word of God straight, yes, not my idea, pet theory, or traditions handed down, its straight out of His Holy Book. I'm a simple coal miner, hardly any schooling, no seminary, no Bible collage, I couldn't make this up if I tried and had a hundred extra years to live  I simply believe what God has written. For an expert you have much to say yet hardly an Scriptures to support what you say?

 Wow, for all of the above, Hazard, you do a bang up job of articulating your views.   I'm amazed but then the Lord directs us, doesn't he?

[Vendtre]

5 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The thing is, its not my view, its the Word of God straight out of His Holy Book. I couldn't make this up if I tried and had a hundred extra years to live  For an expert you have much to say yet hardly an Scriptures to support what you say?

What bible version do you use? 

This is a link to Matt 24:29-31 and it looks nothing like what you typed.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A29-31&version=HCSB

Why is that?  

[HAZARD]

36 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

Hazard, I was giving you credit.

I know mate, and I thank you for it!

[MorningGlory]

12 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

And yet in this very thread your stated there is only ONE view.  

You can't seem to keep up with your own post.

There IS only one view; God's view.  Try to read what is actually written, okay?  We humans have OUR views but God's is the only valid one.  Got it now?  IMO, you are only here to stir up arguments.  Must be bored.