I Stumbled On This

[RevelationWriter]

I have a question about a quote of Paul's that I can't find in the O.T.

And it is this: Where did God say. . . 

"Behold, I Lay In Zion A Stumbling Stone And A Rock Of Offense and Who Ever Believes On Him Will Not Be Put To Shame." - Rom.9:33

Thanks -

[thereselittleflower]

It's from two places in Isaiah

 

• Isaiah 8:14
  He will be a holy place; for both Israel and Judah he will be a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare.

  Isaiah 28:16
  So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic.

 

[natasha]

51 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

I have a question about a quote of Paul's that I can't find in the O.T.

And it is this: Where did God say. . . 

"Behold, I Lay In Zion A Stumbling Stone And A Rock Of Offense and Who Ever Believes On Him Will Not Be Put To Shame." - Rom.9:33

Thanks -

Hi Revelation

I guess Paul et al would be quoting often from the OT (as thereselittleflower above provided the quote for)

Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like to have only the OT scriptures to read or draw conclusions from 

[RevelationWriter]

Okay Thanks.

Though you might like to read it from The Hebrew Dead Sea Scrolls:

"Do not call a conspiracy everything this people calls conspiracy.

do not revere or be in awe of what they revere. The Lord Of Hosts consider Him holy, revere Him. be in awe of Him.

He will be a sanctuary but also a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." - Is.8:9-15

- I find it interesting when I did a study once, that Jesus is never called 'The Lord Of Hosts' only 'The God Of Israel' is called 'The Lord Of Hosts'.

 

But that's another subject.

Anyway, I wonder that when Paul or the other disciples spoke of O.T. scriptures of The Prophets did they ever get the interpretation of it wrong in their narratives (?)

Just one of the other things I ponder. . .

Be back with the other scripture you gave I got to goooo....

 

[thereselittleflower]

18 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

Okay Thanks.

Though you might like to read it from The Hebrew Dead Sea Scrolls:

"Do not call a conspiracy everything this people calls conspiracy.

do not revere or be in awe of what they revere. The Lord Of Hosts consider Him holy, revere Him. be in awe of Him.

He will be a sanctuary but also a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." - Is.8:9-15

- I find it interesting when I did a study once, that Jesus is never called 'The Lord Of Hosts' only 'The God Of Israel' is called 'The Lord Of Hosts'.

 

But that's another subject.

Anyway, I wonder that when Paul or the other disciples spoke of O.T. scriptures of The Prophets did they ever get the interpretation of it wrong in their narratives (?)

Just one of the other things I ponder. . .

Be back with the other scripture you gave I got to goooo....

 

No, they never did.  They were led by the Holy Spirit to write inspired scripture.

If this is in question, then all of christianity is in question.

 

And since Jesus is God, how is Jesus not The Lord of Hosts and The God of Israel?

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

20 minutes ago, natasha said:

Hi Revelation

I guess Paul et al would be quoting often from the OT (as thereselittleflower above provided the quote for)

Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like to have only the OT scriptures to read or draw conclusions from 

If that's all we had, then we would be stuck in shadows and types, and ever see the reality which cast those shadows, and which fulfilled the types.  We would be living in the shadows instead of the light.

 

 

[RevelationWriter]

2 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

No, they never did.  They were led by the Holy Spirit to write inspired scripture.

- I did a study on the words 'scripture' and 'scriptures'.

And the only time Jesus and His Disciples ever referred to scripture was when they were talking about what The Prophets Of God Said as Scripture.

Never did Jesus Disciples refer to their epistles-letters to the churches as scripture. Unless in them they were in fact referencing what The Prophets Of God said. -

If this is in question, then all of christianity is in question.

- Yes, for you see I believe 'all of christianity is in question'.

2 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

 

And since Jesus is God, how is Jesus not The Lord of Hosts and The God of Israel?

 - 'the word became flesh'  God did not become Jesus. -

 

 

 

 

 

[RevelationWriter]

2 hours ago, natasha said:

Hi Revelation

I guess Paul et al would be quoting often from the OT (as thereselittleflower above provided the quote for)

Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like to have only the OT scriptures to read or draw conclusions from 

- I understand your point. But, it wasn't all they had.

They actually had the presence of God in His Temple in Jerusalem.

They actually had The Prophets Of God.

And they actually had Jesus The Word Of God that became flesh and dwelt among them.

Then they actually had God's Holy Spirit. Still they weren't perfect.

They said and did things in ways that prove they didn't understand what God's will was in situations.

 

[thereselittleflower]

So what is the Word of God if it is not God, RevelationWriter?

 

[natasha]

3 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

If that's all we had, then we would be stuck in shadows and types, and ever see the reality which cast those shadows, and which fulfilled the types.  We would be living in the shadows instead of the light.

 

 

well I guess I can 'see' that.  however, what scriptures did Jesus expound upon after His resurrection when walking with the disciples (who didn't recognize Him at first)

I'm just musing here.  Jesus explained about Himself according to prophecy in the OT the passage states.  I think the Holy Spirit has to make things 'real' to us no matter which testament we are reading or studying in

Anyway, here is the passage I was thinking of from Luke 24

¹⁹ “What things?” he asked.

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. ²⁰ The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; ²¹ but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. ²² In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning ²³ but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. ²⁴ Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”

²⁵ He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! ²⁶ Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” ²⁷ And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.