What liberty we have to Sin against God, what is not allowed.

[RustyAngeL]

On 3/7/2016 at 3:24 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

I know what you are talking about, and then what about the person that is in deep in sin or a addiction, what can they do , how do they get out of it and be forgiven , this is a hard thing and it does take time, agree, but when a person finally acknowledges they need a savior and a loving God, and that they surrender too, and call out his name, then God will hear them, for many it is not until we have hit the lowest of the bottom and lost everything will we see the loving father reaching out His hand to us, and we need to have the faith , to believe, that He is in control and we are not, and by His strength in our weakness , He is able to save and release us from the bondage, so

thank you for your story , and blessings to you, the power of the word is strong , and many do not see it , but when we follow the word , we receive the holy spirit , and then no one will be able to snatch us out of His hand,

 God loves us and cares for us, we are to cast our cares on Him, and let him take the wheel and rest in Him, amen ... blessings to you sister EHA

 

On 3/7/2016 at 1:41 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

okay , we have a topic that stirred , a discussion to be brought to the table,

For we are saved by Grace and through the Blood of Jesus , and so we REPENT and sin no more, ?

 Jesus said you are forgiven now Sin no more,! and so we need to deny the self ,take up our cross and follow Him,

\so this comes to us in the following ,since we are bought with such a high price of the death and the life of our savior Christ Jesus,?

and we are to serve God with our earthly bodies which is our service and obedience to Him, then should we not stay away from things that ,

traps us in the bondage of Sin again? for a example, we are to walk in the spirit of truth and obedience, we are the called out ones, and so we are in the world but not to be of the world , we are to shine a light and not be held guilty, in the eyes of others in saying to follow God and we are dis obedient to God, ,

in the book of James tells us to get the log out of our eye before telling our brother to take the splinter out of his, so we are not to judge , for we are judge, but we are told and given the authority to reproof , and to bring to light a wrong or sin, or a evil against, the word and our God, to learn and to exhort and to rebuke what is wrong,

 so this is about liberty through Grace given to us, forgiveness given , and the spirit to do Gods will and not of our selves,

 should we say that tattoos , is okay ? drinking alcohol, doing some maryjane ,being angry with people and hating,having sex  before marriage, pornography, violence, abortion, life style  etc. ?

 and other things we take for granted, is this allowed by God, ? for we know the spirit is willing, and the flesh is weak, but are we excused of not ,

surrendering to the bodies wants and desires and pleasures for we are saved by Grace, and God will forgive us, and then go back to it,

 can we actually tell another brother or sister its okay to do this,  and tell them Sin is okay,? for many are guilty of this, or not to hurt feelings , or be cool to allow  Sin to happen, ? then that person I would think is not understanding the folly of his or her doing ?

I hope that we can dialog more on this, ? the reason is that in todays world, we have blended in with the world and you cannot see who is the called out ones, for the silence of a witness is about the same as condoning  the sin,

tell me what you think. and this is not to offend anyone, for we all have our struggles in life and God said you will have tribulations and persecution, and some be put to death, if we got to that point that you will lay your life down for God, then the worldly sins will not be acceptable to you, , would they ? thank you and blessings to all

I"m confused are you saying you don't sin anymore? I think I must be missing something.

[SINNERSAVED]

hello rusty angel ? what ever gave you that idea,  ? we are all sinners fallen short, and now, we are sinners saved by grace, of course we sin, waking up in the morning you look in the mirror to a sinner, held in the body of sinful flesh, and so we pray to God, follow him and walk in the spirit ,

 so we do not fulfill the desires of the flesh, for when we are in the spirit and keeping God in our meditation, and we are , focused on God, we do not want to Sin,  ? and so this is what I am saying,  but if we do Sin we have a advocate to go to Jesus, and if we bring all our needs  and sins to  Him, He is faithful and just to forgive and to restore, but we do not Sin willingly,  but we still sin, as long as we are in these bodies, we can even Sin ,just in our thoughts, and we need to bring it all to the one ,that is able to forgive and save us,

I hope I cleared this up for you , blessings

[RustyAngeL]

On 3/9/2016 at 8:16 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

hello rusty angel ? what ever gave you that idea,  ? we are all sinners fallen short, and now, we are sinners saved by grace, of course we sin, waking up in the morning you look in the mirror to a sinner, held in the body of sinful flesh, and so we pray to God, follow him and walk in the spirit ,

 so we do not fulfill the desires of the flesh, for when we are in the spirit and keeping God in our meditation, and we are , focused on God, we do not want to Sin,  ? and so this is what I am saying,  but if we do Sin we have a advocate to go to Jesus, and if we bring all our needs  and sins to  Him, He is faithful and just to forgive and to restore, but we do not Sin willingly,  but we still sin, as long as we are in these bodies, we can even Sin ,just in our thoughts, and we need to bring it all to the one ,that is able to forgive and save us,

I hope I cleared this up for you , blessings

Yes cleared up.  I was remembering a chatter we had in the chat room a couple of years ago.  He said once he was saved he never sinned again.  He was adamant it.  He said from the day of his conversion until the day he would die he never has sinned and would never sin again.  Sorry, please forgive me.  Blessing RustyAngeL 

[Leonardo Von]

On 3/7/2016 at 6:07 PM, Eha said:

i did fight with my sin 7 years. did i try to stop sinning? my sister did visit me every day, she can witness - i did EVERYTHING, that get ride of my sin.
i did talk with Father evey day, i did beg Him help me. i did told every day - just give me hint - from where to look answers, just give me something..

Dear sister Eha,

 

Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The main thing is to submit to Jesus Christ. It is no good that we fight against sin if we do not have a deep and sincere desire to please Jesus Christ, if we have no pleasure in His company.

To illustrate what happens when there is only physical liberation, at the time King Cyrus issued the decree allowing all Israelites to return to Jerusalem to build the temple (Ezra 1.2.3), only a small part returned. Most preferred to be a slave in Babylon to be free in Jerusalem. And even those who returned, instead of committing themselves to rebuilding the temple and restoring worship, preferred to build their homes and live their selfishness, using the opposition of their opponents (Ezra 4:4) as an excuse to say that the time to build the temple of the Eternal didn’t have arrived (Haggai 1.9).  They did not think like David:

 

•              "Surely I will not come into the tabernacle of my house, nor go up into my bed; I will not give sleep to mine eyes, or slumber to mine eyelids, until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.” (Sl 132.3-5).

 

It is quite true that Ha-Satan was opposing Joshua the priest (Zec 3:1). However, what was the use of simply rebuking Ha-Satan when there was no love and zeal for the Eternal in the hearts of the Israelites? Hence the importance of the Eternal Himself to rebuke.

May Jesus help us to see the beauty of his holiness (Ps. 29:2; 96.9).

[JTC]

We have no liberty to sin, that's a lie I've been fighting for 35 yrs. I've seen it ruin lives and maybe it even ruined some of my life. Our life as Christians is a constant battle against sin. We are not allowed to do it, we mess up and commit sins but Good never said go ahead and have fun. No, we are called to be Holy and that means no sinning. 

What I'm arguing against is the idea of Liberty to sin. I'm not saying I'm perfect, none of us are. But the older I get the more adamant I am to avoid sins. 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, JTC said:

We have no liberty to sin, that's a lie I've been fighting for 35 yrs. I've seen it ruin lives and maybe it even ruined some of my life. Our life as Christians is a constant battle against sin. We are not allowed to do it, we mess up and commit sins but Good never said go ahead and have fun. No, we are called to be Holy and that means no sinning. 

What I'm arguing against is the idea of Liberty to sin. I'm not saying I'm perfect, none of us are. But the older I get the more adamant I am to avoid sins. 

I read your post very carefully, I tried to understand of how you see ," the liberty to sin", 

The way I see it  is simple;

Jesus Christ is not a siner him self, and he wishes that no one sins, whether believers or unbelievers , and most of all Believers. 

But there is a very vicious net that we can be caught into, if we focus only of how to live our lives free from sin. 

(which is recommended)

And make it, the most important goal  in our life. 

There could be very negative side effects . 

A good reminder in helping us to understand and correctly evaluate this matter is, to keep in mind as a guidance , that Jesus Christ died for while we were yet sinners, simply he died for all, and that whould mean he died for all kinds of sinners. 

He is asking sinners to also believe in him as they are in their sins, he will accept their faith and give them the ETERNAL LIFE as they are. 

He is not counting their sins against them. 

So they are established in peace in this matter that their sins can't be used to condemn them to Hell. 

Now that they are his children he will meet their needs in specific individual needs. 

Some seek peace in their consience, and not everyone has the same sensitivity in this matter, a very confusing situation. 

Others they asked the guidance of the holy Spirit in their life, and claim they can tell when the holy Spirit is guiding them, before learning to tell the difference between the holy Spirit of God, and other good Spirits, and deceiving spirits who come with the disquize of good Spirits. 

The truth is no one is punish to go to Hell on a count of sins. 

And no one is bless of going to Heaven, because of absence of sins. 

Perhaps that what some may call, "liberty to sin", because the wages of sin does give darkness in our lives, but it can not take us in the eternal darkness at the time of our death , if we believe in Jesus Christ. 

We are humans, and Jesus Christ died to redeem mankind, and our faith in him saves us from Hell, if when we die we are found with faith in him, even with faith the size of a mustard seed. 

The human kind has a Redeemer, the devil kind does not have a Redeemer, and we are not from the devil kind, we are from the human kind, and Jesus also who was from God , was from the human kind, (with the life of God in him , so he can take only the human kind to God. 

Many Believers walk on earth holding hands with demons, but those demons can not take them to Hell. 

Many who have denied faith in Jesus Christ, walk on earth holding hands with good Spirits, and the ten commandments and many other Holy and moral and charitable books, and hate sin and iniquity , 

But all those things they do not lead to Heaven, even if they promise Heaven or Paradise, at the time of their death, the wages of their excellent eartly living is not Heaven or Paradise. 

Because they have denied faith in Jesus Christ who is the Lord of Heaven, and the Judge of all, and has in his hands the Keys of Hades and Death. 

He has the keys of the Gates of Hell. 

Believe in Jesus Christ the Redeemer , the Savior of all mankind, the Lord of Heaven, the Judge of all mankind , the Lord and King of Heaven. 

When we still live, we can say we have our own Lords who judge us and give peace to our consience .

Very well, but whey we die , we all are judge by the judge of all, and we will inherit Heaven not according to our consience

( Which was important, and very important as long as we lived). 

But according to our believing in Jesus Christ,

or Hell , according to denieing to believe that Jesus is the Christ of God. 

Believers do not go to Heaven according to their own righteousness, but in the name of Jesus and his righteousness, that's why there are not Believers of Jesus Christ in Hell. 

[brakelite]

When Jesus met the demoniac among the gravestones I can imagine all the disciples hightailing it outa there and leaving Jesus standing on His own. So what happened? The Word was spoken and the man freed. Sat down right there and then and in his right mind. Doesn't mean however he never sinned again, but he certainly got off to a good start.

So what would Jesus have recommended to him in order to keep from sinning? "Abide in the vine". The branch cannot bear fruit in its own power...nor can we stop sinning in our own power. But by beholding we become changed...by abiding we bear fruit...by reading, believing, the word of God our minds take on the character of Christ.

Eph. 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

John 17:17 ¶  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
John 5:24  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life

As Mary believed the word of the angel and her faith immediately brought forth the life of the Son of God, so also does our belief, our trust in, our acceptance of, the promises of God in His word, bring holiness, purity, and righteousness to the believer. Victory over self is our battle, victory over sin is the Lord's battle. Our work is to discipline ourselves to read the word, prayer,and witness. The results of these activities, victory over sin, power to walk the walk, ad souls saved for the kingdom, are God's responsibility.

Ephesians 1:15 ¶  Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16  Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17  That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18  The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places....

3:20  Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21  Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

We so underestimate not only the (re-creative) power of God , but also His willingness to do for us what things without Him we find impossible.
 

[JTC]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I read your post very carefully, I tried to understand of how you see ," the liberty to sin", 

The way I see it  is simple;

Jesus Christ is not a siner him self, and he wishes that no one sins, whether believers or unbelievers , and most of all Believers. 

But there is a very vicious net that we can be caught into, if we focus only of how to live our lives free from sin. 

(which is recommended)

And make it, the most important goal  in our life. 

There could be very negative side effects . 

A good reminder in helping us to understand and correctly evaluate this matter is, to keep in mind as a guidance , that Jesus Christ died for while we were yet sinners, simply he died for all, and that whould mean he died for all kinds of sinners. 

He is asking sinners to also believe in him as they are in their sins, he will accept their faith and give them the ETERNAL LIFE as they are. 

He is not counting their sins against them. 

So they are established in peace in this matter that their sins can't be used to condemn them to Hell. 

Now that they are his children he will meet their needs in specific individual needs. 

Some seek peace in their consience, and not everyone has the same sensitivity in this matter, a very confusing situation. 

Others they asked the guidance of the holy Spirit in their life, and claim they can tell when the holy Spirit is guiding them, before learning to tell the difference between the holy Spirit of God, and other good Spirits, and deceiving spirits who come with the disquize of good Spirits. 

The truth is no one is punish to go to Hell on a count of sins. 

And no one is bless of going to Heaven, because of absence of sins. 

Perhaps that what some may call, "liberty to sin", because the wages of sin does give darkness in our lives, but it can not take us in the eternal darkness at the time of our death , if we believe in Jesus Christ. 

We are humans, and Jesus Christ died to redeem mankind, and our faith in him saves us from Hell, if when we die we are found with faith in him, even with faith the size of a mustard seed. 

The human kind has a Redeemer, the devil kind does not have a Redeemer, and we are not from the devil kind, we are from the human kind, and Jesus also who was from God , was from the human kind, (with the life of God in him , so he can take only the human kind to God. 

Many Believers walk on earth holding hands with demons, but those demons can not take them to Hell. 

Many who have denied faith in Jesus Christ, walk on earth holding hands with good Spirits, and the ten commandments and many other Holy and moral and charitable books, and hate sin and iniquity , 

But all those things they do not lead to Heaven, even if they promise Heaven or Paradise, at the time of their death, the wages of their excellent eartly living is not Heaven or Paradise. 

Because they have denied faith in Jesus Christ who is the Lord of Heaven, and the Judge of all, and has in his hands the Keys of Hades and Death. 

He has the keys of the Gates of Hell. 

Believe in Jesus Christ the Redeemer , the Savior of all mankind, the Lord of Heaven, the Judge of all mankind , the Lord and King of Heaven. 

When we still live, we can say we have our own Lords who judge us and give peace to our consience .

Very well, but whey we die , we all are judge by the judge of all, and we will inherit Heaven not according to our consience

( Which was important, and very important as long as we lived). 

But according to our believing in Jesus Christ,

or Hell , according to denieing to believe that Jesus is the Christ of God. 

Believers do not go to Heaven according to their own righteousness, but in the name of Jesus and his righteousness, that's why there are not Believers of Jesus Christ in Hell. 

Quite honestly, you're wrong. I'm not going to fight you and unless you see this I won't convince you. I hope you're young. There are several verses, 1 by Jesus the others by Paul that says we will have to pay a price for what we do in life. It is unfortunate that the Bible doesn't say exactly what that price is. But there is a price for willful sin and thinking you have a right to sin is wilful. And now you know. At least if you didn't know you could say you were ignorant of it but now you aren't.

Just stop thinking you have a right to sin, you don't. I'm not perfect either. I struggle with this too. But I always knew we don't have a right to sin. They used to call it a license to sin. Now it's called Liberty? Same old lie by the same old devil. Thank God we have His written word. 

God Bless You. In time you will come to know I'm right.

[Your closest friendnt]

10 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I read your post very carefully, I tried to understand of how you see ," the liberty to sin", 

The way I see it  is simple;

Jesus Christ is not a siner him self, and he wishes that no one sins, whether believers or unbelievers , and most of all Believers. 

But there is a very vicious net that we can be caught into, if we focus only of how to live our lives free from sin. 

(which is recommended)

And make it, the most important goal  in our life. 

There could be very negative side effects . 

A good reminder in helping us to understand and correctly evaluate this matter is, to keep in mind as a guidance , that Jesus Christ died for while we were yet sinners, simply he died for all, and that whould mean he died for all kinds of sinners. 

He is asking sinners to also believe in him as they are in their sins, he will accept their faith and give them the ETERNAL LIFE as they are. 

He is not counting their sins against them. 

So they are established in peace in this matter that their sins can't be used to condemn them to Hell. 

Now that they are his children he will meet their needs in specific individual needs. 

Some seek peace in their consience, and not everyone has the same sensitivity in this matter, a very confusing situation. 

Others they asked the guidance of the holy Spirit in their life, and claim they can tell when the holy Spirit is guiding them, before learning to tell the difference between the holy Spirit of God, and other good Spirits, and deceiving spirits who come with the disquize of good Spirits. 

The truth is no one is punish to go to Hell on a count of sins. 

And no one is bless of going to Heaven, because of absence of sins. 

Perhaps that what some may call, "liberty to sin", because the wages of sin does give darkness in our lives, but it can not take us in the eternal darkness at the time of our death , if we believe in Jesus Christ. 

We are humans, and Jesus Christ died to redeem mankind, and our faith in him saves us from Hell, if when we die we are found with faith in him, even with faith the size of a mustard seed. 

The human kind has a Redeemer, the devil kind does not have a Redeemer, and we are not from the devil kind, we are from the human kind, and Jesus also who was from God , was from the human kind, (with the life of God in him , so he can take only the human kind to God. 

Many Believers walk on earth holding hands with demons, but those demons can not take them to Hell. 

Many who have denied faith in Jesus Christ, walk on earth holding hands with good Spirits, and the ten commandments and many other Holy and moral and charitable books, and hate sin and iniquity , 

But all those things they do not lead to Heaven, even if they promise Heaven or Paradise, at the time of their death, the wages of their excellent eartly living is not Heaven or Paradise. 

Because they have denied faith in Jesus Christ who is the Lord of Heaven, and the Judge of all, and has in his hands the Keys of Hades and Death. 

He has the keys of the Gates of Hell. 

Believe in Jesus Christ the Redeemer , the Savior of all mankind, the Lord of Heaven, the Judge of all mankind , the Lord and King of Heaven. 

When we still live, we can say we have our own Lords who judge us and give peace to our consience .

Very well, but whey we die , we all are judge by the judge of all, and we will inherit Heaven not according to our consience

( Which was important, and very important as long as we lived). 

But according to our believing in Jesus Christ,

or Hell , according to denieing to believe that Jesus is the Christ of God. 

Believers do not go to Heaven according to their own righteousness, but in the name of Jesus and his righteousness, that's why there are not Believers of Jesus Christ in Hell. 

 

29 minutes ago, JTC said:

Quite honestly, you're wrong. I'm not going to fight you and unless you see this I won't convince you. I hope you're young. There are several verses, 1 by Jesus the others by Paul that says we will have to pay a price for what we do in life.

I never spoke something opposing that, even thought there is forgiveness from Jesus, who took the punishment for us and pay the price. And does not take revenge, and puts things in the forgetful sea, regarding revenge, but not regarding the need to remember for the need that leads to Rehabilitation and counseling and discipline and other benefits that come with referring to past events and our past actions, habits and thoughts. 

But also there are other factors to consider, the consciquences of the sinful actions, and other people involved , who may forgive and may not. 

They may forgive, but still want you to be punished for your sins , through the civil, or penal system, for more than one reason, for the general public to know that these actions are punishable as a general deterance , and also the need to address the specific deterance that is for the specific needs of the offender, that may help him in his rehabilitation, or as a detterant to his own self. 

29 minutes ago, JTC said:

It is unfortunate that the Bible doesn't say exactly what that price is.

No matter what , the price has to be part for this life, to give notice for matters pertaining to while we still live. 

Not for desiding Heaven or Hell. 

 

29 minutes ago, JTC said:

But there is a price for willful sin and thinking you have a right to sin is wilful. And now you know. At least if you didn't know you could say you were ignorant of it but now you aren't.

I need to make something clear, I need to know that when you using the word 

"you", if you are addressing the general readership, the general public, the audience in general, then that's OK ,you are informing others of how you evaluate what you read in the scriptures. 

But there is something else that is very important and I have a duty to bring it to your attention. 

If you are using the word "you", in a way that it has a very specific reference to me, and if this is so, 

Concluding from what I wrote before , that it had to do something, regarding it as an exuse of what I do, or how I live my life, and if this is so, 

I have a duty to inform you that this is not so. 

If you think that you have the liberty in the name of the Gospel to make these statements about my person, without knowing anything about me, and without any factual support , and without any witnesses , but only having your own perseption as a guide, that's what you have concluded by reading within the lines of someone elses, and without taking the time to ask questions not only the person in question but even your own self . 

By now I hope that you may have come to question your original evaluation of my person, and come to a new conclusion, or at least biginning to dought and question your first evaluation, or just not been so strong about it, 

There is something good about it thought, we all have to grow and learn something very important, and this is very important for those in the ministry of the Gospel, 

Who believe very strongly in the quidance of the Holy Spirit. 

And learning to descern that our perseption by means of being subject to correction is not the Holy Spirit, or the perseption of the Holy Spirit, 

( The Holy Spirit as the Spirit of Truth, needs no correction, that I do need to mention).

Your perseption about me was very unfair, having very little or not truth to it, it was a false  accusation , a defamation of my person, and very unfair for my family to accused me of been this kind of person, you did not even say ,

I do not know you, but if you are or may be this kind of person, I have this good word for you, 

No you did not express your self in this way .

But it is not about me anymore, and I am not sorrowful that it happens that way, for I have learned to expect it, most of the times, 

You do not need to apologise to me, and maybe that to if I was the person that of authority over you and I can do you harm, and demand an apology , even for reasons of being polite, or for reasons in public you have wrongly accused me, then in pupbic you have to retract your statement. 

In any case I leave this up to you, 

For my part I will be happy if I hear that you are trying to be careful, and learn to hold back the horses of your perseption, and learn how to guide them with a sound reasoning and a fair and indipented examination . 

I rarely make reference to scriptures, but if there is something to learn from the whole context , then I should do, and because people are asking. 

Jesus said something to his disciples, because he saw that they had something the Farices had , and that was something which they inherited from their coulture, 

They had learn to judge according to how they see things, and according to their rules of contact and speace, that had something to do in advertising one's self righteousness, 

He call it the yeast of the Farices, 

For when they show him eating and drinking and

(smoking, and not for Jesus but for our Christian Brothers with this habit),

keeping company to the sinners, they said , accusing that he has a demon, and that he is a sinner. 

And they believe and they were ready to fight for it that they were right. 

Jesus said that to his disciples for many reasons, 

One of them could have been without them knowing it at the time, that he will send to sinners and they have to accept the hospitality of the sinners and even eat food that were offered to the idols,

(that's an extreme example, but is a good one thought)

And the observers of the Synagogues not only the Jewish that time , but even the Christians, will accused them of being sinners, and called them to repentance, 

JESUS wanted to caution them , that when the time comes, not to refuse him when he asks them to go to the sinners, which comes with accusations even from friendly sides. 

And instead choose to isolate them selves in a friendly inviroment that comes with praises and complements building the ground for resisting to be humble, and take their Cross and go to the lost, and leave their safe inviroment , but not for women, this Cross is for men, 

29 minutes ago, JTC said:

Just stop thinking you have a right to sin, you don't. I'm not perfect either. I struggle with this too. But I always knew we don't have a right to sin. They used to call it a license to sin. Now it's called Liberty? Same old lie by the same old devil. Thank God we have His written word. 

Hope that there is not need anymore to address those comments. 

God Bless You. In time you will come to know I'm right.

 

[JTC]

You means the OP. As I said, I won't argue this with you. We all mess up and commit sins but to think we have liberty to do so is wrong. I won't be back to this thread.