Do WE know the POWER, of the Cross ?

[SINNERSAVED]

we have the god of the heavens  of Isaac ,Jacob and Abraham, and we have the holy spirit , and then we have Jesus or yeshua the son of the living God, and God himself,? we learn that the truth is the word , and we ask what is the word ? it is God !!

in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, and so to follow God , is to follow the word, for He is the word , and God,

so if we follow God in our bibles , we then need to follow all of Gods word , and all that God has  said, and it is for us to grow and learn and to be instructed of , to live in today as they did yesterday , and to be of God and to foillow God , is to follow the words of God, and all of the words of God, is valid , and for us today , we cannot follow or say we follow God if we pick and choose what we will believe and what we wont, for God is God, and he cannot and would not , and did not take anything away , that is our law today , and by the law of God.

 Jesus yeshua , came to us in the flesh to full fill the law and the prophets ? he said He did not come to abolish or put away the law, for to fulfill is and was completed on the  CROSS, nailed there for all to see, and for we to believe and come to the feet of Jesus  yeshua,

and so , the cross, is the completion and the finished work done to carry out the law and the prophets, and to bring in the gift of grace, and salvation to all that follows and are abiding in Him, for we are now crucified in Christ,  and yet, He lives,

 so now , we see that this was a life, given a divine God, of holiness and mans flesh to be the sacrifice, to save you and me and to bring us into the fellowship of God, and so , with that said, we cannot dismiss and word or law, if God has spoken it, and for nothing is put away , other then what could not be done , by the law, that moses first held, for  before moses , He was, and He is the authority , and no man , of tradition, or mans belief can remove anything that God has given , in word and in deed, and in spirit ,

 so be renewed in the spirit of our minds , put off the old man , and put on the new man , so do not be deceived to believe that any thing is voided out , and not valid, the scriptures and the word tells us, that nothing is put away , there is no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus , but we must understand the following of the word, and we will know, guided by the holy spirit , our eyes are open, to the love and compassion, and to see the beauty of the CROSS,,,,

 blessings to you all, and shalom

[saved34]

Actually we are completely dead to the Law. The wages of sin or punishment for trangressing God's Law is death. When Christ unjustly hung on the tree, we who trust in him was supernaturally crucified with him. The Law cannot bring accusation against a dead man.

Our Life is now governed by union with Christ. Not the Law.

"Romans 7:4 NIV
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."

Galatians 2:19-20 NIV
“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. [20] I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

[Jayne]

And then there is this:

Romans 10:1-5 "Brothers,my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them"

 

Galatians 5:1-4 and 13-14 "Christ has liberated us into freedom. Therefore stand firm and don't submit again to a yoke of slavery. Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all. Again I testify to every man who gets circumcised that he is obligated to keep the entire law. You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace!..................... For you are called to freedom, brothers; only don't use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Ephesians 2:13-15 "But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility."

So what did Jesus mean when He said that He didn't come to abolish the law? Does this contradict Paul who said that the law of commandments WAS abolished by Christ's death? No.

This essay explains quite simply what Jesus meant. 

http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

[SINNERSAVED]

4 minutes ago, saved34 said:

Actually we are completely dead to the Law. The wages of sin or punishment for trangressing God's Law is death. When Christ unjustly hung on the tree, we who trust in him was supernaturally crucified with him. The Law cannot bring accusation against a dead man.

Our Life is now governed by union with Christ. Not the Law.

"Romans 7:4 NIV
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."

Galatians 2:19-20 NIV
“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. [20] I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Actually , scripture tells us that we have died to the law? of SIN and DEATH, !! not the whole law,for the wages of Sin is death yes, and for our Sins have been forgiven, ? but the law is not done away , at all,  and never was?

please look at the scriptures you ? have posted and understand what it is telling you ,Oh death where is your sting ? and sins are forgiven as far as the east is to the west, it is remembered no more,  for by the word is the law, and the law is the word, of God, and so , we have not removed God have we ? what is truth ? truth is Gods word, and the word is the law,

 understand , the way of the law, , the way of the commandments , the way of Yahweh ? the way of the Torah, do you know who is ?

THE WAY ? it is Jesus , yahushua !! fulfills and completes the laws and the prophets ,!!

Your scripture we will use, note  Galatians 2:19;20 for the law I died ,that I might live, the power of Death ? and now crucified and united in Christ the life I live in the body I live by faith  in the Son of God,  who gave himself  who loved me, ? and died to the power and the Law of Sin and death , that we died to the dead and are made alive in Him, and that our Sin, has no power, but Christ in us, the Holy spirit , cleanses us , of the sins , and we are forgiven, and not caught in the wages of Sin, it is put to rest, period, this is all that it does for that part of the law, and the sacrifices and the priest hood, all , and every word is God breath , and is valid, and I have just showed you , in the context , and in the right spirit of God,

 so that that spirit in us , will raise us up in that day , when we are called, for the power of Sin and death has no power over us , that are in Christ Jesus , and this is great and glorious news.................

blessings to you ,

[SINNERSAVED]

6 minutes ago, Jayne said:

And then there is this:

Romans 10:1-5 "Brothers,my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them"

 

Galatians 5:1-4 and 13-14 "Christ has liberated us into freedom. Therefore stand firm and don't submit again to a yoke of slavery. Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all. Again I testify to every man who gets circumcised that he is obligated to keep the entire law. You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace!..................... For you are called to freedom, brothers; only don't use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Ephesians 2:13-15 "But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility."

So what did Jesus mean when He said that He didn't come to abolish the law? Does this contradict Paul who said that the law of commandments WAS abolished by Christ's death? No.

This essay explains quite simply what Jesus meant. 

http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

 

thank you Jayne,

this is a great help in explaining what I am trying to say , and that we are not counting Jesus finished work , void ? not at all ?, but it is finished as He stated, and we have not removed the law of moses , for Jesus tells us about this, and so , when m,any want to say we put our selves back in the yoke of Bondage this is not what we are doing , for it is following the word of God which is the law that we follow plain and simple, and I am not reaching to reinvent the wheel or bring in anything new, for it is , and always have been the same,

 but it has always been taught in the wrong way , and not understood, or comprehended as such,

blessings to you , great post,      shalom

[saved34]

6 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Actually , scripture tells us that we have died to the law? of SIN and DEATH, !! not the whole law,for the wages of Sin is death yes, and for our Sins have been forgiven, ? but the law is not done away , at all,  and never was?

please look at the scriptures you ? have posted and understand what it is telling you ,Oh death where is your sting ? and sins are forgiven as far as the east is to the west, it is remembered no more,  for by the word is the law, and the law is the word, of God, and so , we have not removed God have we ? what is truth ? truth is Gods word, and the word is the law,

 understand , the way of the law, , the way of the commandments , the way of Yahweh ? the way of the Torah, do you know who is ?

THE WAY ? it is Jesus , yahushua !! fulfills and completes the laws and the prophets ,!!

Your scripture we will use, note  Galatians 2:19;20 for the law I died ,that I might live, the power of Death ? and now crucified and united in Christ the life I live in the body I live by faith  in the Son of God,  who gave himself  who loved me, ? and died to the power and the Law of Sin and death , that we died to the dead and are made alive in Him, and that our Sin, has no power, but Christ in us, the Holy spirit , cleanses us , of the sins , and we are forgiven, and not caught in the wages of Sin, it is put to rest, period, this is all that it does for that part of the law, and the sacrifices and the priest hood, all , and every word is God breath , and is valid, and I have just showed you , in the context , and in the right spirit of God,

 so that that spirit in us , will raise us up in that day , when we are called, for the power of Sin and death has no power over us , that are in Christ Jesus , and this is great and glorious news.................

blessings to you ,

The Law is what gives sin its strength. Yes we have died to sin as well, but we have also died to the Law itself.

1 Corinthians 15:56 NIV
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

1 Corinthians 15:56 NIV
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

The Law as it relates to us in its true form is a "ministry of condemnation". It is Holy and goid, but it simply cannot be appeased:

Romans 3:20 NIV
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Your fascination with God's Holy Law is like a man trying to use the mirror showing him how dirty he is to get clean. It shows zeal but it is futile and lacks understanding of what age we are currently in. This New Covenant us superior in every way to the covenant given to Moses.

"2 Corinthians 3:7-10 NIV
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, [8] will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? [9] If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! [10] For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory."

[SINNERSAVED]

5 minutes ago, saved34 said:

The Law is what gives sin its strength. Yes we have died to sin as well, but we have also died to the Law itself.

1 Corinthians 15:56 NIV
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

1 Corinthians 15:56 NIV
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

The Law as it relates to us in its true form is a "ministry of condemnation". It is Holy and goid, but it simply cannot be appeased:

Romans 3:20 NIV
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Your fascination with God's Holy Law is like a man trying to use the mirror showing him how dirty he is to get clean. It shows zeal but it is futile and lacks understanding of what age we are currently in. This New Covenant us superior in every way to the covenant given to Moses.

"2 Corinthians 3:7-10 NIV
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, [8] will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? [9] If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! [10] For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory."

Okay,  saved 34, first I want to thank you for the response, and for  the thought that I am passionate in my view, yes,  and thank you ,

 so lets break this down, and get something here figured out shall we ? first off ,the law ,..gives no strength in any way to sin, ?

it is the law that shows us what Sin is ? with out the law you would not know what Sin was ,period,

Next the power of sin is the law is definitely wrong, !! is that a NIV bible ?you are reading, ? that is the first problem, toss that bible in the rubbish, it will lead you wrong,

next looking in the mirror that's a good one, but that is not happening hear, ,

 the law of moses did not bring condemnation, and the new covenant did not bring righteousness, you really need another bible , my friend it is not making any sense just as it is , Jesus tells us , that no one removed anything that God has given to the leaders and the prophets, and so it stands , only what the law  or the word of god could not do , from moses time, it is given from Jesus through grace of the sacrifice on the cross, and nailed, complete, and this is what the bible tells us,  so please , get rid of your NIV first , and then get a good bible to see  scripture not butchered up like you have thank you

shalom

 

[saved34]

1 minute ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Okay,  saved 34, first I want to thank you for the response, and for  the thought that I am passionate in my view, yes,  and thank you ,

 so lets break this down, and get something here figured out shall we ? first off ,the law ,..gives no strength in any way to sin, ?

it is the law that shows us what Sin is ? with out the law you would not know what Sin was ,period,

Next the power of sin is the law is definitely wrong, !! is that a NIV bible ?you are reading, ? that is the first problem, toss that bible in the rubbish, it will lead you wrong,

next looking in the mirror that's a good one, but that is not happening hear, ,

 the law of moses did not bring condemnation, and the new covenant did not bring righteousness, you really need another bible , my friend it is not making any sense just as it is , Jesus tells us , that no one removed anything that God has given to the leaders and the prophets, and so it stands , only what the law  or the word of god could not do , from moses time, it is given from Jesus through grace of the sacrifice on the cross, and nailed, complete, and this is what the bible tells us,  so please , get rid of your NIV first , and then get a good bible to see  scripture not butchered up like you have thank you

shalom

 

Ok this is the KJV:

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1 Corinthians 15:56 KJV"

 

[SINNERSAVED]

1 minute ago, saved34 said:

Ok this is the KJV:

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1 Corinthians 15:56 KJV"

 

okay but the strength of sin is not the law, like you believe it to be, ? for the law is to show the sin, not to be the sin,

we sin when we do not follow the law of God and so we miss the mark and then Sin but if we follow the law , then we do not sin, and there is no power in the sin, for we are following the law, that keeps us from sinning, but the law of sin, was not able to be conquered until the Sin was destroyed by the power of the Cross, and so this is where it is explaining it self,

thank you

[saved34]

6 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

okay but the strength of sin is not the law, like you believe it to be, ? for the law is to show the sin, not to be the sin,

we sin when we do not follow the law of God and so we miss the mark and then Sin but if we follow the law , then we do not sin, and there is no power in the sin, for we are following the law, that keeps us from sinning, but the law of sin, was not able to be conquered until the Sin was destroyed by the power of the Cross, and so this is where it is explaining it self,

thank you

Ok, if you reject clear scripture there is nothing else I could type to convince you. God bless.