Ever wonder about the lake of fire?

[Just a Mirror]

23 minutes ago, Ezra said:

If we were some Ethiopians (Rastas) we might also have assumed that Haile Sellasie was the true Messiah. And that the Ark of the Covenant is located in Ethiopia (Orthodox).

Well obviously different countries have different beliefs based on culture and influence, we could probably find alot of crazy beliefs right here in the USA. That doesnt mean the book of Enoch is not inspired by God. Do we have to run everything through king james or can we possibly figure out if something is inspired now days without a council of rich men?

[Just a Mirror]

33 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Please give me scripture for where God says hades,hell or heaven is located. Not just this up and down stuff.

I will gladly help!! :-)

"Above"

John 3:31, 8:23, 19:11

Psalms 57:5, 57:1, 108:5

Colossians 3:1-2

James 1:1

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"Heights"

Psalms 148:1

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"Highest Heavens"

Psalms 115:16

Ephesians 4:10

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"Up to Heaven"

Deuteronomy 30:12

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"Down to Hades"

Matt 11:23

Luke 10:15

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"Depths of hell" 

Deuteronomy 32:22

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"Sheol below"/"deeper than sheol"

Proverbs 15:24

Job 11:8

Isaiah 57:9

Proverbs 7:27

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"Digging to sheol"

Amos 9:2

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Hope this helps,

 

 

 

 

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I think she asked: "where are you getting the "center of the earth" from? Having read what you posted about Lazarus three times now, I am still not finding that either, what am I missing?

Eph 4:8-10

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
KJV
We know the center of the earth has a molten core... I'm not speaking of literal exact center but into lower parts.
 

[Just a Mirror]

23 hours ago, RobertS said:

With all due respect Just A Mirror: it's an interesting theory though, but I doubt God would want an entire universe to remind Him continually of sin. JMO.

2 Peter 3:7--- But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:12--- looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

You say whole universe as if it is Big to God, if God is infinite then our universe is probably like a grain of sand in our universe. Since the lake of fire is eternal, it will always be a reminder to Him, but luckily for us....

Isaiah 65:17--- “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
            And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."

[missmuffet]

24 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Eph 4:8-10

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
KJV
We know the center of the earth has a molten core... I'm not speaking of literal exact center but into lower parts.
 

In the King James Version, Ephesians 4:9 says that before Jesus ascended into heaven, “he also descended . . . into the lower parts of the earth.” Some Christians take “the lower parts of the earth” as a reference to hell, where they say Jesus spent the time between His death and resurrection. However, the New International Version gives a better translation: “he also descended to the lower, earthly regions.” This verse simply says that Jesus came to earth. It’s a reference to His incarnation, not to His location after death.

http://www.gotquestions.org/where-is-hell.html

[Just a Mirror]

6 hours ago, ayin jade said:

We do not know that the book of enoch that folks read today is the same one spoken of in the bible. You are setting it up as equivalent to the bible when it is not. 

Soo which part of The Book of Enoch reveals itself as a fraud or uninspired?

Is it because some rich guys who were tasked by a rich leader did not vote it in the conglomeration of scrolls that we have today? We say Scripture is inspired, but the ONLY scripture that is inspired is the scrolls and letters presented in the European bible?  I do agree with the ones that are in our bible, though the translation of words is skewed in some instances, due to lost meanings and oddities of languages. But to say DEFINITELY that a certain scroll and or letter is not inspired is quite a leap of faith. Especially since the Ethiopians have it, Dead sea scrolls have it, its seems to be quoted in quite a few different languages and time periods. I think the proof is in the pudding when judging content, therefore since i see no contradictions I say read it and take what you get.

One last thing on inspired scripture, the bible and translations, you have to admit, that even the bible itself gets mired in confusion with some of the crazy translations out there, now if God lets us translate HIS WORD into multiple translations that skew words into meanings that aren't accurate, how much faith do you put in the men of yesteryear to give us ALL the inspired scrolls? Something to consider.

 

[missmuffet]

Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?"

Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.

The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.

Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html

[ayin jade]

5 minutes ago, Just a Mirror said:

Soo which part of The Book of Enoch reveals itself as a fraud or uninspired?

Is it because some rich guys who were tasked by a rich leader did not vote it in the conglomeration of scrolls that we have today? We say Scripture is inspired, but the ONLY scripture that is inspired is the scrolls and letters presented in the European bible?  I do agree with the ones that are in our bible, though the translation of words is skewed in some instances, due to lost meanings and oddities of languages. But to say DEFINITELY that a certain scroll and or letter is not inspired is quite a leap of faith. Especially since the Ethiopians have it, Dead sea scrolls have it, its seems to be quoted in quite a few different languages and time periods. I think the proof is in the pudding when judging content, therefore since i see no contradictions I say read it and take what you get.

One last thing on inspired scripture, the bible and translations, you have to admit, that even the bible itself gets mired in confusion with some of the crazy translations out there, now if God lets us translate HIS WORD into multiple translations that skew words into meanings that aren't accurate, how much faith do you put in the men of yesteryear to give us ALL the inspired scrolls? Something to consider.

 

Rich guys who were tasked by a rich leader? That kind of comment is really uncalled for. 

Just because the ethiopians have it in their bible doesnt mean its correct. The ethiopian bible also includes the books of maccabees, which includes the false doctrine of praying to dead people. 

Not every "old" text is the word of God. But while accusing me of putting faith in rich men of yesteryear to give us all inspired books in the bible, you do exactly what you accuse me of, and put your faith in the people who put together the ethiopian bible.

Mainly what I question is the weird things you believe. You seem to insist on combining mystic unbiblical things with your version of Christianity. 

[Just a Mirror]

30 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Rich guys who were tasked by a rich leader? That kind of comment is really uncalled for. 

Just because the ethiopians have it in their bible doesnt mean its correct. The ethiopian bible also includes the books of maccabees, which includes the false doctrine of praying to dead people. 

Not every "old" text is the word of God. But while accusing me of putting faith in rich men of yesteryear to give us all inspired books in the bible, you do exactly what you accuse me of, and put your faith in the people who put together the ethiopian bible.

Mainly what I question is the weird things you believe. You seem to insist on combining mystic unbiblical things with your version of Christianity. 

All I am asking is for someone to quote me from the book of Enoch, a lie, falsity, deception or any other thing that is absolutely,  positively unbiblical or blasphemous.

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, Just a Mirror said:

All I am asking is for someone to quote me from the book of Enoch, a lie, falsity, deception or any other thing that is absolutely,  positively unbiblical or blasphemous.

You could not pay me enough to read that book. It is only the Holy Bible for me. The book of Enoch is a waist of time.