Is president job regulations causing job loss

[The_Patriot21]

2 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Do you think there should be no regulations on pollution a company can spew?  While they have moved beyond what they should, I am old enough to remember before the EPA, it is not a time I want to go back to. 

I remember before the epa to-and let me tell you it wasn't half as bad as the tree huggers make it out to be. Even pre epa we had by far the cleanest power and industrial services in the world.

 

With that said, I don't think when the epa started it was a bad thing, nor even started for bad intentions. It had its place. But it's been taken and twisted, way past the point of sanity. Most of the epa regulations are absolutely pointless, and serve no purpose other then make life difficult for people in the energy business. They have their nose in many places it doesn't belong. I can give you example after example of epa overreach. One of those "founded by geniuses, run by idiots" type deals.

[Running Gator]

5 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I remember before the epa to-and let me tell you it wasn't half as bad as the tree huggers make it out to be. Even pre epa we had by far the cleanest power and industrial services in the world.

 

With that said, I don't think when the epa started it was a bad thing, nor even started for bad intentions. It had its place. But it's been taken and twisted, way past the point of sanity. Most of the epa regulations are absolutely pointless, and serve no purpose other then make life difficult for people in the energy business. They have their nose in many places it doesn't belong. I can give you example after example of epa overreach. One of those "founded by geniuses, run by idiots" type deals.

Your profile says you were born in 1985, that seems after that EPA. 

I agree the EPA is out of control, but there has to be some sort of watchdog, no corporation can be trusted to self regulate.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, da_man1974 said:

I heard over the weekend that the national unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in a lot of years.  I don't remember how long.

Yes, but they count part time jobs, low wage jobs and temp jobs where you work for two days at a time.   They count everything.  If they only counted jobs where a person was making a good wage and jobs that created prosperity, the numbers would be far, far lower.

[The_Patriot21]

Yes they were technically created in 1970, but they didn't really start turning into the Nazis we see today until the Bush era, in fact they really didn't get all that intrusive until Obama took over.

 

Give you an example... EPA requires no water spill on the surface for fracking. Of any kind. And they take that rule to the extreme, especially with certain companies. And ok, especially with blowback and production water I see that-that makes sense so putting measures in place to make sure it doesn't happen, makes sense. Even sometimes with the fresh water it makes sense-because the fresh water we use for a lot of fracks is production water from methane Wells, so it's not necessarily clean. It's not nasty either, and realistically wouldn't hurt anything unless you were dumping huge amounts-but even there athe biggest hazard is fire danger, not contamination.

No, where they go overboard-and they are on one company (and one company alone) so tight, that you have to put a bucket under your vehicle's air conditioner to catch the condensation off of it (even though it is just water and does not in any way hurt anything, and there are millions of civilian vehicles nationwide leaving water puddles in wal-mart parking lots)

Now that example is merely a inconvenience, but it is a perfect example of just how stupid the EPA has gotten. I can give you several examples where they have actually hurt industry and violated civil rights.

 

I'm not against environmental controls, but the EPA is no longer about protecting the government it is a tool used by the corrupt to bring them more power. It needs to be eliminated, and environmental controls need to be redistributed to the state level. Let the States control it and keep the federal government out of it.

[da_man1974]

4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but they count part time jobs, low wage jobs and temp jobs where you work for two days at a time.   They count everything.  If they only counted jobs where a person was making a good wage and jobs that created prosperity, the numbers would be far, far lower.

Glass is half empty huh?

[Running Gator]

9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but they count part time jobs, low wage jobs and temp jobs where you work for two days at a time.   They count everything.  If they only counted jobs where a person was making a good wage and jobs that created prosperity, the numbers would be far, far lower.

Those jobs have always been there and have always been counted.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, da_man1974 said:

Glass is half empty huh?

They tout job creation when these are jobs that would already exist.   They are not really counting the jobs created.   Just because I go down the road and get a job at McDonalds doesn't mean it was a job Obama created.   But their numbers don't make that distinction.   My SSN just shows up as a newly hired person at McDonalds and the Administration adds that to their job creation list. 

The government doesn't create anything.  It is not designed to create anything.  It is not the government's job to create jobs.  It is the government's job to provide the environment necessary for job creation.  Jobs are created by the private sector, not the president.   Businesses create jobs in the private sector, not the government.

[Guest shiloh357]

58 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Those jobs have always been there and have always been counted.

Yes and that's my point.  They count every job as a job they created when they didn't create them.   As I said to someone else, if I go and get part time job somewhere for some extra money, that's not a government created job.  I didn't get that from Obama.   But they don't make the distinction between part time jobs that would be there no matter what, and jobs that are the direct result of the president's job creation policy.

It's not his place to create jobs anyway.  Jobs in the private sector are best created by the private sector.   The government cannot create prosperity; they can only provide an environment favorable to prosperity.

[da_man1974]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

They tout job creation when these are jobs that would already exist.   They are not really counting the jobs created.   Just because I go down the road and get a job at McDonalds doesn't mean it was a job Obama created.   But their numbers don't make that distinction.   My SSN just shows up as a newly hired person at McDonalds and the Administration adds that to their job creation list. 

The government doesn't create anything.  It is not designed to create anything.  It is not the government's job to create jobs.  It is the government's job to provide the environment necessary for job creation.  Jobs are created by the private sector, not the president.   Businesses create jobs in the private sector, not the government.

I'm not claiming that Obama or the government created jobs.  I am just happy to know that more people are working now.  Even if they are only temporary jobs.  I work for a company that hires a lot of temporary workers.  If they work out then we hire them on full time.  So it is possible to get full time from temporary.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, da_man1974 said:

I'm not claiming that Obama or the government created jobs.  I am just happy to know that more people are working now.  Even if they are only temporary jobs.  I work for a company that hires a lot of temporary workers.  If they work out then we hire them on full time.  So it is possible to get full time from temporary.

 

I hear that.   But my point was simply that the government isn't really honest.  They are taking credit for something they didn't do.