Creeping anti-Semitism

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, Ezra said:

What is not being recognized or stated is that at present Messianic Jews are sinning against the Savior by isolating themselves into Jewish congregations, and also reverting back to Moses (Torah observance).  The Church of Christ does not allow for such segregation.

Actually, you're wrong.  Messianic Jews not segregating themselves.  They participate in regular churches as well as their own congregations and there are many Gentile believers who participate with them in their services.  Gentile believers are always welcome.   So the segregation comment is simply not true.

Also they are not reverting back to Moses.  They use Jewish culture as an expression of faith in Jesus.   No one seems to mind when Native Americans or  African American or Hispanic Americans have culturally based churches.   As usual, when Jews are plugged into the same equation, suddenly it's wrong.    The Sabbath, the Festivals are all pictures of Jesus and they celebrate those things with a view as to how they reveal the Messiah to the Jewish people.  They have their own congregations in cities and communities where there are large Jewish populations in order to have a witness among their own people.   A Gentile Christian like you would not get an audience to share the Messiah.  But they can and do go into places to witness and share the Gospel with Jews who would never listen to you.  And they can share the Jewish Messiah with Jewish people in  a way that speaks to them in a relevant way.  They are far more successful than the "Church of Christ" at sharing the Gospel with Jews.

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, Ezra said:

Getting back to "Anti-Semitism", Christians should be aware that this accusation is frequently used to suppress any attempt at understanding or exposing the Satanic conspiracy fostered by a handful of atheistic, internationalistic Jews at the top (for the last 400 years or so) to further the Illuminati agenda (destroy legitimate governments, nations, private property, and religion).

 

That trash is only considered "anti-Semitic" when it is used to paint all Jews as part of the conspiracy.   It has been used by anti-Semites to say, "The Jews want to control the world."  It has been used as a way tarnishing the image of Jewish people as whole and used that way, it IS anti-Semitic.

[nebula]

6 hours ago, Ezra said:

And that is not what was being addressed.  Where is the word "Lord"?  Jesus is now the Lord Jesus Christ, and it is by believing on the LORD Jesus Christ that sinners are saved (Acts 16:31).  Do you understand the significance?

When Peter spoke to a crowd of Jews during the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), he said thus:

36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” 37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ [Yeshua HaMaschiach] for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2)

Thus, the Apostle Peter told the Jews to repent and be baptized in the name of "Jesus Christ" not "the Lord Jesus Christ."

Along those lines, do a search a "Christ" in any Bible search (for instance here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?s=bibles&q=christ&t=niv&c=all - you can change translations if you would like) and notice how many times you find in the New Testament "Jesus Christ" without "Lord" attached to the front of it.

Your argument has no bearing.

[nebula]

6 hours ago, Ezra said:

When the Lord Jesus Christ returns to earth, He does NOT return as the Jewish Messiah but as KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS (Rev. 19:16).  So once again you are not following Scripture. While He will also come as the Deliverer of the Jews, His Kingdom will be a universal kingdom on earth (Dan 7:13,14).

So by saying this are you denying the many prophecies in the Old Testament concerning Messiah for which Jesus will be fulfilling when He returns to Earth?

[nebula]

4 hours ago, Davida said:

...Were the Jewish converts in Bible time in separate groups to the Body of Christ or were they all mixed together? 

There are many verses I could pull, but I think one will suffice to answer the question:

Acts 14:1 - At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.

What we see here is that both Jews and Gentiles [referred to as "Greeks"] were in the Jewish synagogue together. Throughout the book of Acts you will see the expression "God-fearing Gentiles." These were Gentiles who believed in the God of Israel, or at least respected the God of Israel, but without actually converting to Judaism. It is clear via this verse that Gentiles were allowed into the Synagogue to listen to the rabbinical teachings.

So in the cities where both Jews and Gentiles were baptized into the name of Jesus, why would the two separate themselves? The answer is that they did not. However, there was cultural tension between them, as the Jewish believers had a hard time believing that Gentiles could follow their Messiah and God without converting to Judaism (becoming circumcised). Thus the Council in Jerusalem gave Paul and the others instructions to pass on to the congregations in the nations that they did not. 

 

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Further to that, if Jew and gentile were together worshipping there would not be the room for the false doctrine of replacement theology to seep into some groups of followers (denominations).

Yikes! Are you blaming Replacement Theology on the Jews?

Replacement Theology was the problem that kept driving Jews away from Christianity - primarily because Gentile Christians kept trashing and persecuting the Jews on account of this belief.

[ayin jade]

6 hours ago, Ezra said:

And that is not what was being addressed.  Where is the word "Lord"?  Jesus is now the Lord Jesus Christ, and it is by believing on the LORD Jesus Christ that sinners are saved (Acts 16:31).  Do you understand the significance?

When the Lord Jesus Christ returns to earth, He does NOT return as the Jewish Messiah but as KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS (Rev. 19:16).  So once again you are not following Scripture. While He will also come as the Deliverer of the Jews, His Kingdom will be a universal kingdom on earth (Dan 7:13,14).

What is not being recognized or stated is that at present Messianic Jews are sinning against the Savior by isolating themselves into Jewish congregations, and also reverting back to Moses (Torah observance).  The Church of Christ does not allow for such segregation.

False.

We acknowledge Jesus as Lord. We are no more separate than any other church. We do not have torah observance. Whatever statement you read about does not apply to every single Messianic congregation. 

[nebula]

6 hours ago, Ezra said:

Getting back to "Anti-Semitism", Christians should be aware that this accusation is frequently used to suppress any attempt at understanding or exposing the Satanic conspiracy fostered by a handful of atheistic, internationalistic Jews at the top (for the last 400 years or so) to further the Illuminati agenda (destroy legitimate governments, nations, private property, and religion).

Today George Soros, a Hungarian Jew, is at the forefront of subverting nations with his billions, and working towards a Super-State (using the United Nations as his tool). He has said that he thinks of himself as "a god". This is a preview of the Antichrist (who must of necessity be a Jew), who will literally claim to be God. There are others, such as the Rothschilds, etc. who are all in the same conspiracy.

Most people are not aware that the Bolshevik Revolution was funded by these same conspirators, and in fact the majority of those who were part of that revolution were Russian Jews.

Anyone who associates the Messianic movement with the Illuminati and/or George Soros and/or the Bolshevic Revolution is thinking erroneously.

Just because some rich and powerful atheist - who could care less about the Torah anyways - happens to be Jewish, it doesn't mean he represents the entire Jewish people.

[nebula]

7 hours ago, Ezra said:

What is not being recognized or stated is that at present Messianic Jews are sinning against the Savior by isolating themselves into Jewish congregations, and also reverting back to Moses (Torah observance).  The Church of Christ does not allow for such segregation.

We isolate ourselves into Roman Catholic congregations, Lutheran congregations, Methodist congregations, Baptist congregations, Episcopalian congregations, Pentecostal congregations, etc., etc. 

We also isolate ourselves into Korean churches, Hispanic churches, and other people-group churches.

How are these any different?

[Ezra]

4 hours ago, Flsnookman said:

The illuminati.....really?  WOW.

Yes, Really. Please take some time to research this for yourself.

1 hour ago, nebula said:

So by saying this are you denying the many prophecies in the Old Testament concerning Messiah for which Jesus will be fulfilling when He returns to Earth?

"Messiah" came as the Suffering Servant at His first coming (see Isaiah 50,53, Psalm 22, etc.). The Lord Jesus Christ comes "with power and great glory" to establish His eternal Kingdom on earth at His second coming.  So those prophecies will be fulfilled by the one who comes as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS (Revelation 19).

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

[Ezra]

46 minutes ago, nebula said:

Anyone who associates the Messianic movement with the Illuminati and/or George Soros and/or the Bolshevic Revolution is thinking erroneously

I am not associating the two but both are related to Anti-Semitism.  

Since this thread is about Anti-Semitism, Christians should be aware that exposing the cabal of wealthy and atheistic Jews controlling world affairs is often termed as Anti-Semitism in order to suppress the truth.

And the Messianic Movement finds its raison d'etre in Anti-Semitism also.  You can check this out for yourself on the web site quoted above.  The reasoning is that because in the past Gentiles have practiced Anti-Semitism, Jewish believers must now have Jewish congregations.