Eternal Life

[WordSword]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Ok that is what I think I said. When a person asks Jesus Christ into their life to be their Lord and Savior.

Yup!! Thanks!

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, Word-Sword said:

Yup!! Thanks!

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, Word-Sword said:

 

So, I believe a question that may be adequate in addressing eternal life is, “when does a believer receive eternal life”? My understanding is that it is possessed at the time of rebirth, and if so, the phrase “loose eternal life” is not only an oxymoron (you can’t lose eternal life since it means life that is forever) but Scripture has no usages of such language or concept.

 

May God guide all who reply to this post to His truths concerning it, and God Be Blessed!

 

My answer to your question, does not address all of the possible sircumstances .

So I will be very specific, and describe the context first. 

To someone who is found with the denial that Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins, and has a change of mind and he now believes that Jesus has died for the forgiveness of our sins. 

That person has pass from death to life. 

He is found with the eternal life the moment he believed in Jesus Christ. 

To answer your next question, and why should I?

When you can do this for yourself. 

If you have come to understand that as in this situation that this man is found with the eternal life the moment he believed in Jesus, then you may also understand that if and when comes to that and he has a change of mind and he founds himself with the denial, as s result of careful examination, and becomes an atheist or accepts a faith that does not have Jesus Christ as a Savior, that he is the Son of God and he died on the Cross for our sins, then and only then he finds him self without the faith of Jesus Christ, and as a result without the eternal life. Jesus is the eternal life. 

 

[WordSword]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 if and when comes to that and he has a change of mind 

 

If we ever truly believe, we will be shown to never have truly disbelieved, and if we are shown to truly disbelieve, we will be shown to have never truly believed. One cannot truly believe and truly disbelieve, it can only be one or the other. To eventually disbelieve negates the possibility of ever believing.

A "change of mind" can only result in either a misunderstanding of faith, or to have never had faith.

Plus, if "God is causing you to desire and do His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13), would it be sensible to conceive that you would not desire and do His good pleasure? If people appear to be living for God and eventually permanently shows the opposite, it evinces that God was never "working" in them!

 

[Your closest friendnt]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

My answer to your question, does not address all of the possible sircumstances .

So I will be very specific, and describe the context first. 

To someone who is found with the denial that Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins, and has a change of mind and he now believes that Jesus has died for the forgiveness of our sins. 

That person has pass from death to life. 

He is found with the eternal life the moment he believed in Jesus Christ. 

To answer your next question, and why should I?

When you can do this for yourself. 

If you have come to understand that as in this situation that this man is found with the eternal life the moment he believed in Jesus, then you may also understand that if and when comes to that and he has a change of mind and he founds himself with the denial, as s result of careful examination, and becomes an atheist or accepts a faith that does not have Jesus Christ as a Savior, that he is the Son of God and he died on the Cross for our sins, then and only then he finds him self without the faith of Jesus Christ, and as a result without the eternal life. Jesus is the eternal life. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Word-Sword said:

If we ever truly believe, we will be shown to never have truly disbelieved, and if we are shown to truly disbelieve, we will be shown to have never truly believed. One cannot truly believe and truly disbelieve, it can only be one or the other. To eventually disbelieve negates the possibility of ever believing.

A "change of mind" can only result in either a misunderstanding of faith, or to have never had faith.

Plus, if "God is causing you to desire and do His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13), would it be sensible to conceive that you would not desire and do His good pleasure? If people appear to be living for God and eventually permanently shows the opposite, it evinces that God was never "working" in them!

 

Hello WS, the main issue is when someone is not on his sins. 

Because when someone is not in his sins it means that he is under the Attonment of Jesus Christ. 

For this is eternal life to believe in Jesus Christ. 

Let's discuss this first, as it is the main issue and we can look at the sub issues as we go along. 

When someone believes , it is based on faith alone, as they hear the message. 

It is not like a membership in a fraternity, that if you have gone through the severe testing , and only then and if  you still want and invited and you are willing to submite to their rules and to their discipline and go through the membership rituals then you are accepted  as a memher, sort off. 

The forgiveness of sins in the name of Jesus Christ, the one who has the Heavenly inheritance is freely given, on believing alone. 

And it is not on anyone not having any sins after they believe, but on the principal that their sins are not counted against them as long as they believe. 

To believe in Jesus Christ, it has nothing to do of making your self , worthy to believe before your faith can be accepted by Jesus Christ. 

[WordSword]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Hello WS, the main issue is when someone is not on his sins. 

Because when someone is not in his sins it means that he is under the Attonment of Jesus Christ. 

For this is eternal life to believe in Jesus Christ. 

Let's discuss this first, as it is the main issue and we can look at the sub issues as we go along. 

When someone believes , it is based on faith alone, as they hear the message. 

It is not like a membership in a fraternity, that if you have gone through the severe testing , and only then and if  you still want and invited and you are willing to submite to their rules and to their discipline and go through the membership rituals then you are accepted  as a memher, sort off. 

The forgiveness of sins in the name of Jesus Christ, the one who has the Heavenly inheritance is freely given, on believing alone. 

And it is not on anyone not having any sins after they believe, but on the principal that their sins are not counted against them as long as they believe. 

To believe in Jesus Christ, it has nothing to do of making your self , worthy to believe before your faith can be accepted by Jesus Christ. 

Always appreciate your replies and I agree with what you've presented, but the OP issue is related to the concept that one cannot lose eternal life (which is my belief). Right?

 

[enoob57]

Because salvation is totally based on the work of God... we can understand then it is of faith not of works for it is written

Hebrews 11:6 (KJV)
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

this diligence in God's speaking is and will emit fear in the begin as we in infantile toward adulthood in the s/Spirit advance in a process called sanctification...
Philippians 2:12 (KJV)
[12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

but as this process advances totally left to the will of the individual that fear will be replaced with The Love of God foundationed upon His Word alone...
1 John 4:16 (KJV)
[16] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
[17] Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
[18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
[19] We love him, because he first loved us.

We either are and that cannot be altered or we are not and that can...

1 John 2:19 (KJV)

[19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Love, Steven

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Word-Sword said:

Always appreciate your replies and I agree with what you've presented, but the OP issue is related to the concept that one cannot lose eternal life (which is my belief). Right?

 

Hello WS, yes that's right no one can loose his, her Salvation. 

Jesus Christ is the one who justifies. 

Thank you for raising this issue. 

God bless you always 

[WordSword]

5 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Because salvation is totally based on the work of God... we can understand then it is of faith not of works for it is written

Love, Steven

Amen Steve! "by grace through faith . . . not of works" (Eph 2:8, 9).

[WordSword]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello WS, yes that's right no one can loose his, her Salvation. 

Jesus Christ is the one who justifies. 

Thank you for raising this issue. 

God bless you always 

Amen YCF - Until we learn it this way there will be  much "tossing to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine" (Eph 4:14).

Blessings!