Are you still sinning like one of the sons of disobedience?

[JohnD]

John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 8:24 (AV)
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Ephesians 2:8–10 (AV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 Romans 3:21–31 (AV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Galatians 3:24–28 (AV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

My post accused of being ludicrous are only as ludicrous as the above quoted scriptures. For one who is excessively proud of knowing scripture, you are quite unfamiliar with what it teaches.

Do I know the Holy Spirit?

He gave me these scriptures personally just now.

For those who wish only to argue subpoints they believe they understand... pick someone else to try to start a fight with please.

[ZacharyB]

7 hours ago, JohnD said:

John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 8:24 (AV)
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Passage #1 --- You have no clue what "believeth" (pisteou) in the NT really refers to (unbelief = disobedience, etc.).

Passage #2 --- This disqualifies those who do not believe Jesus is God. It does not quarantee eternal life to those who do.

Please endeavor to RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses with the anti-OSAS NT verses!

You will discover that ... True saving faith = belief-faith-trust-obedience-endurance!

This must be what the English word "believe" represents in the NT.

Or else God is bluffing, exaggerating, even lying.

Edited October 30, 2016 by ZacharyB

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

Passage #1 --- You have no clue what "believeth" (pisteou) in the NT really refers to (unbelief = disobedience, etc.).

Passage #2 --- This disqualifies those who do not believe Jesus is God. It does not quarantee eternal life to those who do.

Please endeavor to RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses with the anti-OSAS NT verses!

You will discover that ... True saving faith = belief-faith-trust-obedience-endurance!

This must be what the English word "believe" represents in the NT.

Or else God is bluffing, exaggerating, even lying.

Tiny little Zachary you are so devoted to what you want to believe you 'ittle mind can't comprehend that you missed out on the overall big picture of what God is saying.

So you try to bait others who are safely at rest in God.

Placing my hand on your head so all you do is swing at empty air.

 

 

[JohnD]

Just now, JohnD said:

Tiny little Zachary you are so devoted to what you want to believe your w'ittle mind can't comprehend that you missed out on the overall big picture of what God is saying.

So you try to bait others who are safely at rest in God.

Placing my hand on your head so all you do is swing at empty air.

 

 

 

[ZacharyB]

Everyone is invited to reconcile the so-called opposing NT passages.

Or, at least start explaining what the anti-OSAS passages mean.

Please try to think outside of the "church box".

See how humble and polite I'm being. 

[enoob57]

On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 9:24 AM, ZacharyB said:

Enoob, if you like to talk about the Pharisees, I suggest you consider the rich young ruler.

He asked what he should do to have eternal life.

Jesus told him he should obey the commandments!

Yes, obedience is one of the keys to salvation.

Would you like to see (again) all of the other NT verses re: obedience?

Don't believe what the churches have been teaching!

No you have taken it out of the context this way:  in the timeline when Jesus saying this Jesus  was fulfilling the law of Moses with His Own Life and in that context we understand what Jesus is teaching... as God's Word teaches that no human in any of the OT law and prophets nor any of NT dispensations shall have sinless lives! In the simple hermeneutic construct of Rom 3:23

Romans 3:22 (KJV)

[22] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:22 (SBLGNT)

[22] δικαιοσύνη δὲ θεοῦ διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, εἰς ‡πάντας τοὺς πιστεύοντας, οὐ γάρ ἐστιν διαστολή. [23] πάντες γὰρ ἥμαρτον καὶ ὑστεροῦνται τῆς δόξης τοῦ θεοῦ, [24] δικαιούμενοι δωρεὰν τῇ αὐτοῦ χάριτι διὰ τῆς ἀπολυτρώσεως τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ·

So the construct of the Written Word here doesn't allow for any other interpretation other than (all) being Adam and all that were of that linage... That is why it is listed as 'the righteousness of God' ... I will say it again There 'IS' only One Who lived a perfect life and it is not the children of Adam but The Son of God....
Love, Steven

[ZacharyB]

On ‎10‎/‎31‎/‎2016 at 1:58 PM, enoob57 said:

 There 'IS' only One Who lived a perfect life and it is not the children of Adam but The Son of God....

Of course, doesn't everyone understand that.

However, Zach and Liz were found to be perfectly acceptable to God (Luke 1).

We can be also, if we repent of our sins ... not just one time (lol), but on a regular basis.

Mary was no slouch either ...

I just love the icons with the bigger-than-life Mary lookin' down on a little Jesus.

How can anyone with the indwelling Holy Spirit fall for such stuff?

IMO, those baptized with (in) the Holy Spirit cannot (for long anyway).

 

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Are you still sinning like one of the sons of disobedience?

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Very important question and matter... Let us see how we can think about it:

 

Unbeliever_A is a person of the world, he loves and commits many of the sins we see nowadays in this world, many of these sins which are considered part of the world, are fully tolerated and accepted as a normal activities by its society.

 

Obviously, just because those "activities" are considered normal and acceptable by the world it does not mean they will not be seen by God as a sin or an abomination. Because what is an abomination will always be considered an abomination, the world can change but God will never.

 

Unbeliever_A goes to church, learns about the Word of God, learns about Jesus' story and teachings, he knows about Jesus and decides to accept him as his Lord and Savior. He now is Believer_A from now on.

Eventually, Believer_A learns the activities enjoyed and practiced by Unbeliever_A were condemned by his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Believer_A understands it and now sees it, and decides to act accordingly his Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

Believer_A is now focused and stays in vigilance with the Word of God in his heart, so he won't sin against his Lord Jesus Christ, and His Father. Believer_A is no more willing to fulfill the desires of his flesh, but the will of the Father who is in heaven.

 

We can safely say Believer_A is doing a great job, and his Lord, Jesus Christ is very happy of his effort to walk on the right path. Although Believer_A makes every effort to stay on the right path, he eventually fail in some circumstances, but not because he willfully wished to do so, he learns of his fail and immediately run to his Lord in signal of repentance.

 

Believer_A is not interested in the things Unbeliever_A was so focused into anymore.

 

We can say Believer_A is now truly changed, a new creature, he definitely was born again, and now he is in Christ:

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17"

 

God bless us all, and that all our desires be His desires... Let us forget the things of the world, and focus on what really matters: The Will of God.

 

Thank you, God! All the glory to God.