Prolife And Hypocrisy

[LadyKay]

I hear a lot of talk from people calling themselves Christians about how they are pro-life and against the right to choice abortion. But then these same people complain about "their" tax money going to people on welfare and on food stamps.  They do this in away that almost seems hateful. Much of  this comes from the people that are elected to hold office. They are endorsed by the Religious Right and praised for their stand against being pro- choice. Yet these same law makers want to  cut food stamp programs,medical programs and other forms of government welfare for people. And I see my fellow Christians getting behind such people and supporting them, and being critical of people on welfare calling them lazy and accusing them of being on drugs. To me, it is hypocrisy to call yourselves pro-life,but then complain about "your" tax money going to help those in need! It is hypocrisy  for a law maker to call themselves pro-life and then cut food stamp programs and other forms of government help for people in need! Wake up my brothers and sisters in Christ! These law makers only want your vote, and they know if they shout out that they are pro-life that they will get it! But can you really call yourselves pro-life and then cut the support for people who do have children they have no means to care for?   If you truly want to stop abortion, then you must be willing to provide care for people who have children without the income to care for them. If you truly are pro-life then stop complaining about "your" tax money going to help support people in need.

[Jayne]

Yes, dear, it IS "my" tax money.  And that means I have a say-so in how it is to be spent.

I have a mentally and physically handicapped brother who is on SSI financial supplements and will be all of his life.  This qualifies him for Medi-Caid and more.

Some people are have obvious impediments that cannot allow them to work.  Some have not-so-obvious impediments that a doctor can testify to that do not allow them to work.  We should take care of those people.  And not just with money.

Some people are temporarily down on their luck and need a temporary helping hand.  We should help those people.

The children of the above people need our help.  We should help them, too.  They didn't create the problems their families are in.

However, I don't think that you are aware of just how many people who cheat the system and lie about their inabilities to tend to themselves.  Both genders and every ethnicity contributes to this overwhelming problem.  There are all kinds of people who lie about being disabled, lie about how many children they have, keep bearing children to increase their welfare funds, and the welfare system has become a lifestyle for them.  They are perfectly able to take care of themselves, but instead they unethically and immorally and illegally suck us all dry of "our" tax monies.

I'm all for helping people who truly need help.

I am NOT going to stay silent about those who steal by lying and cheating the system and make welfare the means by which they take care of their families for generations - literally.

And that has nothing to do with my firm and unalterable stance against abortion.

[LadyKay]

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

What has an immoral issue (abortion) have to do with an economic issue (taxes)?

What is has to do with is how are babies born to people who can not afford them cared for? Perhaps this post was mostly about the people in office. Whom get praised by us for being pro-life, yet they want to cut food stamps and other government programs. While their are some who may very well be cheating the system, when these programs get cut; they get cut for all. Not just the ones cheating but the ones who are truly in need. You say abortion is immoral. Would taking food away from the hungry be immoral as well? I am not supporting abortion here. I am wanting people to see things for the way they really are. Sure our law makers care about the unborn. But many of them care less once they have been born. Out of the same mouth that comes the phrase "I am pro-life" Comes the speech that they will cut food stamps and care for the poor! I am saying we as Christians need to be aware of these things. And not be so quick to give our support to someone in office just because they proclaim to be pro-life. There is more to being pro-life then just caring about the unborn.

Edited October 10, 2016 by LadyKay

[Guest bonnieschamberger]

Yes ladykay I am right there with you and I agree I feel it is hypocritical too.

[The_Patriot21]

I'm all for helping the needy. 100% for it, and do so regularly. However, I don't think it's the governments job to do so, and welfare doesn't help the needy, it enslaves them.

 

If being pro life, and anti-welfare makes me a hypocrit in your eyes, so be it. I'm biblically correct, and that's all I really care about.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, LadyKay said:

I hear a lot of talk from people calling themselves Christians about how they are pro-life and against the right to choice abortion. But then these same people complain about "their" tax money going to people on welfare and on food stamps. 

Actually, what we complain about is able-bodied people who can hold down a job living off of the government dole.   We don't pay taxes for people  simply live off of us.   Welfare and food stamps were originally supposed to be an interim safety net to help people get back on their feet.   It was meant to give them the means to pay bills and feed their children while they were out looking for work.  Welfare was not intended, nor were food stamps intended, to be a form of income.  

No one complains about helping the truly needy and those who cannot help themselves.  And guess what?  It is OUR tax money.  It is not anyone else's money.   I pay taxes and that is money I worked for, that I earned and should be used to create a good environment for our citizens, to provide for our general welfare and for our defense.    It doesn't need to go to able-bodied people who just want to freeload off of every one else.

Right now, there are second and third generation Welfare recipients who learned to game the system from their parents and grandparents who lived on welfare.   These  people draw on the system but don't pay in.   Those are the people we complain about.

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They do this in away that almost seems hateful.

Not hateful at all.  There is nothing hateful about expecting able-bodied people to carry their own weight.

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   If you truly want to stop abortion, then you must be willing to provide care for people who have children without the income to care for them. If you truly are pro-life then stop complaining about "your" tax money going to help support people in need.

No one is complaining about helping anyone in need.   But the truth is that many who are pro-life volunteer at and financially support pregnancy care centers for single mothers.  They help them find jobs and a place to live.  They do MORE than simply throw money at the problem.  They provide transportation, and even "interview" clothes so that single mothers have something nice to wear to job interviews.  They provide all kinds of medical and prenatal care and  a host of other benefits.   The pro-lifers are doing far, far more than you are aware of. And what they are doing is far better than simply offering Welfare and Food Stamps which really does nothing but make slaves out of people.  

[GoldenEagle]

3 hours ago, LadyKay said:

I hear a lot of talk from people calling themselves Christians about how they are pro-life and against the right to choice abortion. But then these same people complain about "their" tax money going to people on welfare and on food stamps.  They do this in away that almost seems hateful. Much of  this comes from the people that are elected to hold office. They are endorsed by the Religious Right and praised for their stand against being pro- choice. Yet these same law makers want to  cut food stamp programs, medical programs and other forms of government welfare for people. And I see my fellow Christians getting behind such people and supporting them, and being critical of people on welfare calling them lazy and accusing them of being on drugs. To me, it is hypocrisy to call yourselves pro-life, but then complain about "your" tax money going to help those in need! It is hypocrisy  for a law maker to call themselves pro-life and then cut food stamp programs and other forms of government help for people in need! Wake up my brothers and sisters in Christ! These law makers only want your vote, and they know if they shout out that they are pro-life that they will get it! But can you really call yourselves pro-life and then cut the support for people who do have children they have no means to care for?   If you truly want to stop abortion, then you must be willing to provide care for people who have children without the income to care for them. If you truly are pro-life then stop complaining about "your" tax money going to help support people in need.

I think the objection is that government is re-distributing income.

Redistribution of income and redistribution of wealth are respectively the transfer of income and of wealth (including physical property) from some individuals to others by means of a social mechanism such as taxation, charity, welfare, public services, land reform, monetary policies, confiscation, divorce or tort law.

Helping the poor and needy is the privilege of citizens (and by extension the Church) not government institutions.

There was talk yesterday during the debate about people paying their "fair share". Reminds me of something I watched a while back. I'll try to find it.

God bless,
GE

[GoldenEagle]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

What has an immoral issue (abortion) have to do with an economic issue (taxes)?

In Atlas Shrugged Part 2 in the not so distant future a law is passed called the “Fair Share Act.” The act says basically you cannot buy, sell, or produce more than what is labeled a fair share for all of society.Who determines this? The government. Gasoliine in the movie is $40 a gallon so transportation is limited to trains.

Due to a national emergency and the decline of the economy the President of the U.S. issues Directive 10-289. This set of laws is designed to freeze the economy in its present state and prevent further decline. What does this directive do?

1. According to the directive, workers must remain in their present jobs or face prison, and all businesses must remain in operation.

2. All patents and copyrights must be turned over to the government by means of voluntary Gift Certificates. No new devices, inventions, or products can be produced.

3. Every company is required to produce the same amount of goods as the previous year, no more and no less.

4. Wages and prices are to be frozen, and every citizen is required to spend the same amount of money as in the previous year.

5. All research departments must close except for the State Science Institute.

6. To oversee the law, the Bureau of Economic Planning appoints a Unification Board, whose rulings are final.

It is interesting and slightly funny that whatever company or industry is taken over in the movie by the U.S. government fails...

So as to the issue of taxes this whole Fair Share idea is bogus in my opinion.  

God bless,
GE

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

There is more to being pro-life then just caring about the unborn.

You are misrepresenting our POV when you put forth strawmen like this.

Not one person here nor anywhere I know has said that the truly poor must not be helped - by the church and even with the help of the government.

But how is it pro-life to create a system whereby people are enslaved to government assistance through lying, deceit, greed, and sloth.  And how is the opinion of us who hold to stopping government waste and stealing of tax monies by SOME people who don't need it but refuse to develop a work ethic a sign of us not being pro-life.

It's "pro-life" to assist the poor and disabled for the long term if necessary and it's "pro-life" to assist the rest of the poor until they can stand on their own ........ and then let them do that very thing.

I guess by your definition, mark me down as the horrible hypocrite.

 

[LadyKay]

9 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I guess by your definition, mark me down as the horrible hypocrite.

Why is everyone so upset with what I have said? If you are one who cares about the needs of the poor and taking care of them; then I am not calling you a hypocrite. Good for you I say, as you are doing what needs to be done and should be done. I call hypocrisy on those who refuse to help others. On law makers who proclaim to be pro-life then cut food and care for the poor. That is who I am calling out. Not the good people who are pro-life and care for the good of others. But to those who say I am pro-life but I am sick of supporting the ones who can't support themselves.