Guest Teditis Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, GoldenEagle said: It's interesting to note that 46.9% of voters didn't vote. So "winning" the popular vote is a relative term don't you think? The election was decided by the 53.1% who did. Of those, about 25.6% votes for Clinton and 25.5% voted for Trump (those numbers are from right after the election. Clinton actually got a little more now that she's ahead by about 2 million votes.) God bless, GE I found that interesting too. I noticed early on, around July-ish, that the Dems weren't pushing their "Get out and Vote" platform as they had done in the past... So I wonder what would have the results been had more people voted in this election. Also, I had heard that Clinton has a lead in the popular vote count of close to 5 million... that's why they're pushing for the recount and wanting to re-poll the EC members. She could end up being our President yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, OneLight said: Yes, and not much would change, would it? A lot would change, actually. California, Texas, Illinois and New York had little impact on this election. PA, FL, OH, NC AZ, WI, MI, all had far more impact on this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 28, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 EC: Electoral Votes US State Electoral Votes Alabama 9 Montana 3 Alaska 3 Nebraska 5 Arizona 11 Nevada 6 Arkansas 6 New Hampshire 4 California 55 New Jersey 14 Colorado 9 New Mexico 5 Connecticut 7 New York 29 Delaware 3 North Carolina 15 Florida 29 North Dakota 3 Georgia 16 Ohio 18 Hawaii 4 Oklahoma 7 Idaho 4 Oregon 7 Illinois 20 Pennsylvania 20 Indiana 11 Rhode Island 4 Iowa 6 South Carolina 9 Kansas 6 South Dakota 3 Kentucky 8 Tennessee 11 Louisiana 8 Texas 38 Maine 4 Utah 6 Maryland 10 Vermont 3 Massachusetts 11 Virginia 13 Michigan 16 Washington 12 Minnesota 10 West Virginia 5 Mississippi 6 Wisconsin 10 Missouri 10 Wyoming 3 Population: State Population Ranking PopulationCensus Data: 2013 California 1 38,332,521 Texas 2 26,448,193 New York 3 19,651,127 Florida 4 19,552,860 Illinois 5 12,882,135 Pennsylvania 6 12,773,801 Ohio 7 11,570,808 Georgia 8 9,992,167 Michigan 9 9,895,622 North Carolina 10 9,848,060 New Jersey 11 8,899,339 State Population Ranking Population Virginia 12 8,260,405 Washington 13 6,971,406 Massachusetts 14 6,692,824 Arizona 15 6,626,624 Indiana 16 6,570,902 Tennessee 17 6,495,978 Missouri 18 6,044,171 Maryland 19 5,928,814 Wisconsin 20 5,742,713 State Population Ranking Population Minnesota 21 5,420,380 Colorado 22 5,268,367 Alabama 23 4,833,722 South Carolina 24 4,774,839 Louisiana 25 4,625,470 Kentucky 26 4,395,295 Oregon 27 3,930,065 Oklahoma 28 3,850,568 Connecticut 29 3,596,080 Iowa 30 3,090,416 State Population Ranking Population Mississippi 31 2,991,207 Arkansas 32 2,959,373 Utah 33 2,900,872 Kansas 34 2,893,957 Nevada 35 2,790,136 New Mexico 36 2,085,287 Nebraska 37 1,868,516 West Virginia 38 1,854,304 Idaho 39 1,612,136 Hawaii 40 1,404,054 State Population Ranking Population Maine 41 1,328,302 New Hampshire 42 1,323,459 Rhode Island 43 1,051,511 Montana 44 1,015,165 Delaware 45 925,749 South Dakota 46 844,877 Alaska 47 735,132 North Dakota 48 723,393 District of Columbia 49 646,449 Vermont 50 626,630 Wyoming 51 582,658 It looks about the same in makeup. The more the population, the more EC votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted November 28, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2016 2 hours ago, OneLight said: EC: Electoral Votes US State Electoral Votes Alabama 9 Montana 3 Alaska 3 Nebraska 5 Arizona 11 Nevada 6 Arkansas 6 New Hampshire 4 California 55 New Jersey 14 Colorado 9 New Mexico 5 Connecticut 7 New York 29 Delaware 3 North Carolina 15 Florida 29 North Dakota 3 Georgia 16 Ohio 18 Hawaii 4 Oklahoma 7 Idaho 4 Oregon 7 Illinois 20 Pennsylvania 20 Indiana 11 Rhode Island 4 Iowa 6 South Carolina 9 Kansas 6 South Dakota 3 Kentucky 8 Tennessee 11 Louisiana 8 Texas 38 Maine 4 Utah 6 Maryland 10 Vermont 3 Massachusetts 11 Virginia 13 Michigan 16 Washington 12 Minnesota 10 West Virginia 5 Mississippi 6 Wisconsin 10 Missouri 10 Wyoming 3 Population: State Population Ranking PopulationCensus Data: 2013 California 1 38,332,521 Texas 2 26,448,193 New York 3 19,651,127 Florida 4 19,552,860 Illinois 5 12,882,135 Pennsylvania 6 12,773,801 Ohio 7 11,570,808 Georgia 8 9,992,167 Michigan 9 9,895,622 North Carolina 10 9,848,060 New Jersey 11 8,899,339 State Population Ranking Population Virginia 12 8,260,405 Washington 13 6,971,406 Massachusetts 14 6,692,824 Arizona 15 6,626,624 Indiana 16 6,570,902 Tennessee 17 6,495,978 Missouri 18 6,044,171 Maryland 19 5,928,814 Wisconsin 20 5,742,713 State Population Ranking Population Minnesota 21 5,420,380 Colorado 22 5,268,367 Alabama 23 4,833,722 South Carolina 24 4,774,839 Louisiana 25 4,625,470 Kentucky 26 4,395,295 Oregon 27 3,930,065 Oklahoma 28 3,850,568 Connecticut 29 3,596,080 Iowa 30 3,090,416 State Population Ranking Population Mississippi 31 2,991,207 Arkansas 32 2,959,373 Utah 33 2,900,872 Kansas 34 2,893,957 Nevada 35 2,790,136 New Mexico 36 2,085,287 Nebraska 37 1,868,516 West Virginia 38 1,854,304 Idaho 39 1,612,136 Hawaii 40 1,404,054 State Population Ranking Population Maine 41 1,328,302 New Hampshire 42 1,323,459 Rhode Island 43 1,051,511 Montana 44 1,015,165 Delaware 45 925,749 South Dakota 46 844,877 Alaska 47 735,132 North Dakota 48 723,393 District of Columbia 49 646,449 Vermont 50 626,630 Wyoming 51 582,658 It looks about the same in makeup. The more the population, the more EC votes. But the EC also awards two votes per state outside of what they get based upon population which gives the smaller states a bit more of a say than without the EC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 29, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2016 As it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 29, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted December 1, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2016 @OneLight here's some interesting observations: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/12315574/electoral-college-explained-presidential-elections-2016 I do find the idea of dividing out electoral votes by % of population vote interesting and even somewhat appealing. It would be problematic though I’d imagine. How would you split the vote? It could be considered an infringement of states’ rights if it were a federal law or mandate. What to do about the Electoral College (EC)? The first option presented in the article… In my mind no way would two thirds of the House and Senate pass a constitutional amendment to do away with the Electoral College. No way 38 states would ratify that change. The second option of a constitutional convention has never been done. It would have to be called for 34 states. No way that would happen either in my mind. The third option is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. The states in this agreement say they will pledge their electoral college votes to the winner of the popular vote but only if the states controlling the 270 necessary votes to win the electoral college do the same. I do find it interesting that the big push for this change is coming from states that tend to lean to the left according to the article I linked. What are your thoughts on the article? God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted December 1, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2016 To those who oppose the Electoral College... Let's take the idea of popular majority and how about we apply that to Congress for a moment? If we become obsessed with government by popular majority as the only consideration, should we not then abolish/change the Senate which represents States regardless of population? Should we not correct then too the distortions in the House (caused by districting and by guaranteeing each State at least one Representative) by changing it to a system of proportional representation? This would accomplish "government by popular majority" and guarantee the representation of minority parties, but it would also demolish our federal system of government. If there are reasons to maintain State representation in the Senate and House as they exist today, then surely these same reasons apply to the choice of office of President. Why, then, apply a sentimental attachment to popular majorities only to the Electoral College? God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted December 1, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,244 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,658 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2016 On 11/9/2016 at 2:43 PM, OneLight said: Here is the problem. One person, one vote. It makes no difference where you are. The issues derive from the culture of a particular area. In AZ, you have different reasons to vote a certain way than I do in NH. Let's look at California, the largest Electoral College body. Hillary received 5,481,885 votes, and Trump received 2,965,704. Instead of all 55 going to Hillary, why not split it up according to the real numbers? Hillary would then receive 36 Electoral College votes and Trump would receive 19. That would reflect the voters of California better instead of winner take all. Some states have chosen to do it that way, some have not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted December 1, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Willa said: Some states have chosen to do it that way, some have not. The only two states who do that are Maine and Nebraska. These states allocate two Electoral Votes to the popular vote winner, and then one each to the popular vote winner in each Congressional district (2 in Maine, 3 in Nebraska) in their state. Of interest this creates multiple popular vote contests in these states, which could lead to a split Electoral Vote. God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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