QUESTIONS concerning 1Cor.15 & 1Thes.4

[douggg]

47 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

Oh course I disagree with what the Jewish leaders of Jesus' Day gave Him for a title because they would not accept the title Pilate gave Him: King of the Jews.

I'm surprised you're making so much of what those who did not believe in Jesus said.  You're really going off track now.

The problem is that you don't know what "the" Christ means.    You say not King of Israel, not King of the Jews.... but the bible says in Zechariah 9:9

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

 

If you don't know what "the" Christ means - then you are not going to understand that the Antichrist must become the King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

9 hours ago, douggg said:

The problem is that you don't know what "the" Christ means.   

How prescient of you to know what I don't know! 

Jesus fulfilled that prophecy concerning the Messiah - but to say the anti-Christ must be the king of Israel is not a facet of end-time prophecy.

He is the King of the North; the amalgamated construct of three powerful kingdoms - Rev 13:2 and Daniel 7.
He conquers Israel in the Gog/Magog war, surrounding Jerusalem - Luke 21:20 and Daniel 11:45.
He is the one who is in the Temple proclaiming himself as god - Mt 24:15 and 2Th 2:4.

He is the one who begins the one 'seven' by forcing through a covenant with many -
- is responsible for the mid-point abomination (revealed as the talking image - Rev 13:14-15)
- and in the end (of the one 'seven') had God's desolations poured out upon him (with the Bowl Judgments).

Edited January 10, 2017 by Marcus O'Reillius

[Daniel 11:36]

Anti-Christ means "against" Jesus Christ .... "not in place of" .... he will never claim to be Jesus Christ

This one will blaspheme the Lord to His face [Revelation 13:5-6]

Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions is a king of the northern Middle East [Daniel 8:9; 11:41; Micah 5:5-6]  .... and he will not be the "king of Israel", but will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount

There will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during this occupation [Matthew 25:15-16; Revelation 11:2] .... the little horn will sit in the temple of his "god".... the Muslim Dome of the Rock

And he will make no false "peace" agreement with Israel .... the Lord is the One who will confirm His covenant with His national people during the coming 70th week decreed for the same

His cult religion is Islam touted as a religion of "peace" which requires that all infidels must be killed

And Jerusalem is not the "great city" of [Revelation 14:8; 17:16-18; 18]

Jerusalem is the Lord's "great city" [Revelation 11:8]

And the idea that a Pope lead revived Roman EU is totally bogus .... the Prophets visions are set upon the region of the Middle East

The divides of professing "church" will be a part the victims of the little horn who will seek to kill all who will not submit to him and his "god" Allah who is Satan

This thread is about the Lord's early call for His followers, so why not stick to this significant subject? 

Edited January 10, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

How prescient of you to know what I don't know! 

Jesus fulfilled that prophecy concerning the Messiah - but to say the anti-Christ must be the king of Israel is not a facet of end-time prophecy.

Marcus, why did Herod want to kill the new born Jesus when the wise men came through?

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Just now, douggg said:

Marcus, why did Herod want to kill the new born Jesus when the wise men came through?

Why don't you tell me...

[douggg]

30 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

Why don't you tell me...

Because Herod was the king of land of Israel at the time, and he was afraid of being replaced by the new born king.     The biblical basis of "the" messiah, Christos in Greek,  is that he becomes the King of israel, Son of David.      The Jews rejected Jesus as being their King - they shouted we have no King but Caesar.        

You refer to the person being the KIng of the north in Daniel 11.    Although the person is the King of the West (a different issue), those verses are about the person near the end of the seven years, and after he has become the beast - claiming to be God.    

When the person becomes the Antichist, the King of Israel, it is at the start of the seven years and last 3 years 3 months, before he betrays Israel - and the Jews subsequently quit him as being their King - ending his time as being the Antichrist.     After being the Antichrist, the King of israel, he becomes the beast for the last 42 months of the 7 years.      The verses in Daniel 11:36 and forward are about the person as the beast - no longer the Antichrist.

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

The person is no longer the King of Israel (the Antichrist) at that point because the Jews Israel will have rejected him as continuing as their King.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

1 minute ago, douggg said:

The Jews rejected Jesus as being their King - they shouted we have no King but Caesar.        

So what?

Their opinion doesn't alter the truth.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

2 minutes ago, douggg said:

You refer to the person being the KIng of the north in Daniel 11.    Although the person is the King of the West (a different issue),

Yes, I refer to Scripture.

You refer to something that is not in Scripture.

The King of the West - Obama?  Trump?  Prince Charles?  We can go on and on in this game of pin-the-tail on the anti-Christ.  There is no "King of the West" in end-time prophecy.

If we're going to have a discussion of eschatology - then you're going to have to stick to the Bible.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

5 minutes ago, douggg said:

When the person becomes the Antichist, the King of Israel,

Again, off you go making an equation which is not in end-time prophecy. 
 

5 minutes ago, douggg said:

it is at the start of the seven years

No, he is the King of the North at the start of the one 'seven' - that dragon-beast of a nation made up of the first three beasts of Daniel 7 as revealed in Rev 13:2.

He does not even enter Israel until the Gog/Magog war in retaliation for the "fire from the sky" precipitated by the false prophet (of the land, i.e., Israel) - Rev 13, which culminates with his surrounding Jerusalem in his encampment prior to the midpoint concession on the part of the now-defeated false prophet - who has charge over the Temple - so that the false prophet presents the King of the North with his "prize" - a talking image of himself in the Temple.

Then - he is revealed to be the character he's been all along: the anti-Christ.
The King of the North is the anti-Christ.

He is never proclaimed the King of Israel in all this.  Israel just becomes his (temporary) possession.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

11 minutes ago, douggg said:

it is at the start of the seven years and last 3 years 3 months, before he betrays Israel - and the Jews subsequently quit him as being their King - ending his time as being the Antichrist.    

This really has no basis in end-time prophecy so it's impossible to really comment upon it other than to say, "What an imagination!"