Steve_S Posted December 16, 2016 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2016 3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: Qualification: "an attribute that must be met or complied with and that fits a person for something" Call me subjective, but I'm still looking to find those attributes in Prez-elect Trump. You certainly have the right to determine what qualifications you believe a person should have to get your vote or support, obviously. The very nature of voting implies that each person makes an individual choice based on what they think qualifies the person to be president. This is obviously a group of people applying opinion based on their ideologies, opinions, and experience. These things are all personal for every single person. However, the only objective qualification for president remains the lawful election of a person to that office and that person being a natural born citizen of the United States, having not been elected to more than two terms or served more than one half of one term and having been elected to another. That is why we vote in the first place, to apply what we have each determined qualifies a person to be president by giving them our support in the voting booth and at times in discussions with other voters. That is a separate set of qualifications for each person though. What you think qualifies somebody, another person may not, and vice versa. This is, of course, subjective, though those opinions may be based on objective standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted December 16, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2016 5 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: He's not attending; he's touring with Trump. "Six weeks after his last campaign stop here, President-elect Donald Trump returned to thank voters in Pennsylvania who 'pushed us across the finish line'.... "Vice President-elect Mike Pence introduced Trump, rallying the crowd with Trump's plans to repeal Obamacare and fight for Americans...." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/16/trump-cheered-thank-you-tour-visits-pennsylvania/95507266/ So who's attending the daily intel briefings? Obama doesnt "attend" either. He gets his via his tablet. You have no way of knowing how pence gets the daily briefings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmbld Posted December 16, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,491 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 1,457 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1971 Share Posted December 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, ayin jade said: Obama doesnt "attend" either. He gets his via his iphone. You have no way of knowing how pence gets the daily briefings. Its not even funny any more how Trump is attacked when he stated he just does not want repeat information every day, keep him updated when something important changes. Obama supposedly attends briefings via his phone as you say, or I read where he takes them on a digital tablet. I should probably stay out of the political threads here, too much bashing, not enough truth telling, and certainly not edifying. You can keep correcting the errors, though nobody is listening, ears are too tickled with dirt, even when its not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 16, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 8 hours ago, hmbld said: All this bashing over nothing. One of the articles showed Obama prefers to get his briefings on a digital tablet.... Is that how Obama learned that ISIS was only a "JV team"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 16, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 5 hours ago, Steve_S said: You certainly have the right to determine what qualifications you believe a person should have to get your vote or support, obviously. The very nature of voting implies that each person makes an individual choice based on what they think qualifies the person to be president. This is obviously a group of people applying opinion based on their ideologies, opinions, and experience. These things are all personal for every single person. However, the only objective qualification for president remains the lawful election of a person to that office and that person being a natural born citizen of the United States.... Article II, Section 1, calls that an eligibility, as in "meeting the stipulated requirements." But I'm referring to Trump's qualifications, e.g., political experience, maturity, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted December 16, 2016 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: Article II, Section 1, calls that an eligibility, as in "meeting the stipulated requirements." But I'm referring to Trump's qualifications, e.g., political experience, maturity, etc. Those qualifications are determined on a person by person basis and are not objective qualifications. Specifically speaking, the only thing that really qualifies one to be president is having convinced the electorate to make them president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Steve_S said: Those qualifications are determined on a person by person basis and are not objective qualifications. Specifically speaking, the only thing that really qualifies one to be president is having convinced the electorate to make them president. There's more than one way to "convince" an electorate. "The price of one bona fide, registered American vote varies from place to place. But it is rarely more than a tank of gas. "Indeed, as a rising furor over voter fraud has prodded some states to mount extensive efforts against illegal voters, election-fraud cases more often involve citizens who sell their votes, usually remarkably cheaply...." https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/selling-votes-is-common-type-of-election-fraud/2012/10/01/f8f5045a-071d-11e2-81ba-ffe35a7b6542_story.html?utm_term=.4d4affeafa7b And though resumes are often filled with "objective qualifications," Trump's claim that he had foreign affairs experience from running a beauty contest in Russia is somewhat subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted December 17, 2016 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: There's more than one way to "convince" an electorate. "The price of one bona fide, registered American vote varies from place to place. But it is rarely more than a tank of gas. "Indeed, as a rising furor over voter fraud has prodded some states to mount extensive efforts against illegal voters, election-fraud cases more often involve citizens who sell their votes, usually remarkably cheaply...." https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/selling-votes-is-common-type-of-election-fraud/2012/10/01/f8f5045a-071d-11e2-81ba-ffe35a7b6542_story.html?utm_term=.4d4affeafa7b And though resumes are often filled with "objective qualifications," Trump's claim that he had foreign affairs experience from running a beauty contest in Russia is somewhat subjective. This has nothing to do with presidential qualification, not at all. Buying votes is illegal, but there's no evidence that trump did, none at all. That article is from 2012 and it's just equivocation at any rate. Trump did convince the requisite number of americans in the requisite states to vote for him and they did so. That is, simply, an established fact. In fact, he picked up votes in wisconsin's recount. Trump's message on trade and immigration and willingness to flout political correctness is likely what won him the election. If you want to subjectively blame someone, blame the primary candidates from this year's election, all pro-free trade (except sanders to a minor degree), which means being pro-offshore manufacturing and outsourcing of jobs. That's an unpopular position among american voters at a clip of greater than 70 percent and Trump made hay on it by going against the grain. If you want to beat a guy, you may want to start by running people against him who actually agree with the majority of the american public on issues like trade and immigration, lol. Really, though, those were issues both parties had sort of winked and nodded at each other on and neither side was expecting a politician to go against the party line on them. The first time the american public had an option at a pro-border security, anti-free trade candidate, they jumped at it, because those candidates don't come along very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 11 hours ago, Steve_S said: This has nothing to do with presidential qualification, not at all. Buying votes is illegal, but there's no evidence that trump did.... Although most voter fraud is committed by Democrats, Trump had to pay a $25 million settlement for his bogus Trump U. scam or face a class action lawsuit while he was prez-elect. Birds of a feather.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/15/2016 at 3:47 PM, OldSchool2 said: Until next month. Hopefully Trump will get his act together by then, or Pence will have to do both their jobs. Good grief, are you just digging up stuff to criticize our new President for? I doubt if Trump will make Pence do both jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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