Who is this Jewish Messiah?

[JohnD]

Was it just a vehicle of convenience that Jesus was born Jewish? And that his global outreach to all peoples of the Earth trumps his heritage (making him essential a Gentile Christ as opposed to a Jewish Messiah)?

Some here who vehemently oppose me know where I am heading with this. But I welcome all non-combative input in accord with the rules and guidelines of Worthy Network / Christian Forums. 

Feel free to give even your opinion (and preferably why it is your opinion).

[simplejeff]

Y'SHUA is KING OF THE JEWS, and is STILL JEWISH.

YHWH'S PLAN was carried out to bring[offer] SALVATION to the JEWS FIRST, then later to the gentiles through the JEWS.

There's practically nothing "gentile" about Y'SHUA - except HE offers[offered? (the door may be closed) SALVATION to gentiles who are willing.

Now most all the gentiles are opposed to YHWH, and enemies of Y'SHUA.

The leaders of all the nations have committed fornication with the enemy,

and are all being gathered together AGAINST Y'SHUA ,

the countries and nations [practically if not actually] all opposed to YHWH'S PLAN of SALVATION,

and YHWH'S WRATH that was stored up for many thousands of years will be poured out at the chosen time soon.

PRAY for the PEACE OF JERUSALEM !     COME QUICKLY Y'SHUA !

Sh'ma Yisra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

[Guest]

Jesus was Jewish (Hebrew) because it was always GOD's plan that Christ would first say Israel, and then Israel would go out and convert the nations. If Israel had accepted Christ when He came, the Church Age would never have happened, the last 7 years of Daniel would never have been interrupted but would have begun immediately and (I believe) you and I would have remained Spirits in Heaven until we received our glorified bodies to live on Earth. Like I said, the last part of my statement is an I believe statement and not up for debate if you disagree.

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, JohnD said:

Was it just a vehicle of convenience that Jesus was born Jewish? And that his global outreach to all peoples of the Earth trumps his heritage (making him essential a Gentile Christ as opposed to a Jewish Messiah)?

No, Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.   He is the Savior of the world, but He is the Messiah of Israel.   And His heritage is vitally important due to the fact that there is a plethora Messianic prophecies that can only be fulfilled by a Messiah, who is descended physically from David.  There is nothing that "trumps" His heritage.  In Revelation 22:16 Jesus claims to be the offspring of David, thus emphasizing His Jewish heritage.

[Ezra]

14 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

He is the Savior of the world, but He is the Messiah of Israel.

That should be reversed. The Lord Jesus Christ (not merely "Jesus" or "Yeshua") is the Messiah of Israel, BUT MORE THAN THAT, He is the Savior of the world, and Lord of the universe. This is clearly brought out to us in Luke 2:11:

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

1. For unto you is born this day = God manifest in the flesh

2. in the city of David = King of Israel

3. a Saviour = the Saviour of the world

4. which is Christ = Messiah of Israel

5. the Lord = Lord of the universe

In this verse, God the Holy Spirit is careful to reveal the entire scope of Christ's salvation and Lordship.  Had Israel truly repented at His first coming, there would be no Judaism today, just the Church, with Christ as its Head.  But the day will come when every knee in the universe will acknowledge Him as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11).

Because Jesus Christ is Lord, Christians must refer to Him today as "the Lord Jesus Christ", not "Yeshua ha Mashiach" (which omits His Lordship).

[Guest shiloh357]

31 minutes ago, Ezra said:

That should be reversed.

No it shouldn't.  The word order had nothing to do with importance of either role.

[kwikphilly]

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Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11).

Because Jesus Christ is Lord, Christians must refer to Him today as "the Lord Jesus Christ", not "Yeshua ha Mashiach" (which omits His Lordship).

Nice,I like that Ezra.......................Lord Jesus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,GOD the SON!!!                Halleluyah!

[Guest shiloh357]

9 hours ago, Ezra said:

Because Jesus Christ is Lord, Christians must refer to Him today as "the Lord Jesus Christ", not "Yeshua ha Mashiach" (which omits His Lordship).

It's not either/or.  He is the Lord Jesus Christ AND He is Yeshua Ha Maschiach.   Calling Him the Messiah doesn't omit his Lordship, at all.  "Messiah" is just one of his titles, just like "Lord" is one of His titles.    Maschiach is a role he will fulfill at the 2nd coming.

[Ezra]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

 Calling Him the Messiah doesn't omit his Lordship, at all.  

Actually it does.  Jesus is not simply called "Christ" (which is equal to Messiah).  He is called The LORD Jesus Christ (which is NOT the same as Yeshua ha Mashiach or Jesus the Messiah).  

If words are significant in Scripture (which they are) then the omission of "Lord" is an extremely serious omission.  Philippians 2:9-11 puts the emphasis on the Lordship of Christ, and so does Revelation 19:16:

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Actually it does.  Jesus is not simply called "Christ" (which is equal to Messiah).  He is called The LORD Jesus Christ (which is NOT the same as Yeshua ha Mashiach or Jesus the Messiah).  

If words are significant in Scripture (which they are) then the omission of "Lord" is an extremely serious omission.  Philippians 2:9-11 puts the emphasis on the Lordship of Christ, and so does Revelation 19:16:

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

No one said he is simply called Christ or Messiah.   There are plenty of places in Scripture where Jesus is simply referred to as "Jesus Christ."  For example:

Mat_1:1; Mat_1:18; Mar_1:1; Joh_1:17; Joh_17:3; Act_2:38; Act_3:6; Act_3:20; Act_4:10; Act_5:42; Act_8:12; Act_8:37; Act_9:34; Act_10:36; Act_11:17; Act_15:11; Act_15:26; Act_16:18; Act_16:31; Act_20:21; Act_28:31; Rom_1:1; Rom_1:3; Rom_1:6; Rom_1:7; Rom_1:8; Rom_2:16; Rom_3:22; Rom_5:1; Rom_5:11; Rom_5:15; Rom_5:17; Rom_5:21; Rom_6:3; Rom_6:11; Rom_6:23; Rom_7:25; Rom_13:14; Rom_15:6; Rom_15:8; Rom_15:16; Rom_15:17; Rom_15:30; Rom_16:18; Rom_16:20; Rom_16:24; Rom_16:25; Rom_16:27; 1Co_1:1; 1Co_1:2; 1Co_1:3; 1Co_1:4; 1Co_1:7; 1Co_1:8; 1Co_1:9; 1Co_1:10; 1Co_2:2; 1Co_3:11; 1Co_5:4; 1Co_8:6; 1Co_9:1; 1Co_15:57; 1Co_16:22; 1Co_16:23; 2Co_1:1; 2Co_1:2; 2Co_1:3; 2Co_1:19; 2Co_4:6; 2Co_5:18; 2Co_8:9; 2Co_11:31; 2Co_13:5; 2Co_13:14; Gal_1:1; Gal_1:3; Gal_1:12; Gal_2:16; Gal_3:1; Gal_3:14; Gal_3:22; Gal_5:6; Gal_6:14; Gal_6:18; Eph_1:1; Eph_1:2; Eph_1:3; Eph_1:5; Eph_1:17; Eph_2:20; Eph_3:1; Eph_3:9; Eph_3:14; Eph_5:20; Eph_6:23; Eph_6:24; Php_1:1; Php_1:2; Php_1:6; Php_1:8; Php_1:11; Php_1:19; Php_1:26; Php_2:11; Php_2:21; Php_3:20; Php_4:23; Col_1:1; Col_1:2; Col_1:3; 1Th_1:1; 1Th_1:3; 1Th_2:19; 1Th_3:11; 1Th_3:13; 1Th_5:9; 1Th_5:23; 1Th_5:28; 2Th_1:1; 2Th_1:2; 2Th_1:8; 2Th_1:12; 2Th_2:1; 2Th_2:14; 2Th_2:16; 2Th_3:6; 2Th_3:12; 2Th_3:18; 1Ti_1:1; 1Ti_1:2; 1Ti_1:16; 1Ti_4:6; 1Ti_5:21; 1Ti_6:3; 1Ti_6:14; 2Ti_1:1; 2Ti_1:10; 2Ti_2:3; 2Ti_2:8; 2Ti_4:1; 2Ti_4:22; Tit_1:1; Tit_1:4; Tit_2:13; Tit_3:6; Phm_1:1; Phm_1:3; Phm_1:9; Phm_1:25; Heb_10:10; Heb_13:8; Heb_13:21; Jas_1:1; Jas_2:1; 1Pe_1:1; 1Pe_1:2; 1Pe_1:3; 1Pe_1:7; 1Pe_1:13; 1Pe_2:5; 1Pe_3:21; 1Pe_4:11; 2Pe_1:1; 2Pe_1:8; 2Pe_1:11; 2Pe_1:14; 2Pe_1:16; 2Pe_2:20; 2Pe_3:18; 1Jn_1:3; 1Jn_1:7; 1Jn_2:1; 1Jn_3:23; 1Jn_4:2; 1Jn_4:3; 1Jn_5:6; 1Jn_5:20; 2Jn_1:3; 2Jn_1:7; Jud_1:1; Jud_1:4; Jud_1:17; Jud_1:21; Rev_1:1; Rev_1:2; Rev_1:5; Rev_1:9; Rev_12:17; Rev_22:21.

You are trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist.