What do you mean?

[The_Patriot21]

35 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

LOL...again. My point stands. You don't want me to accept your answer you want me to agree to it.  The fact is you didn't answer.  Now please just drop it.  You don't want to answer that's fine, no need to reply any further. 

See, this tells me all I need to know. You asked a question. Repeatedly. I answered repeatedly. Now your accusing me of not answering. Tells everyone, what we need to know

[warrior12]

1 minute ago, ruck1b said:

Is that "truth" objective or subjective?

Well ruck , hope you don't mind i shorten the spelling of your title.  Christianity is both of the tangible and intangbile world, that is spiritual and historical.  If you only look at the historical, then you will come to subjective conclusions as you will always see a flaw or some unexplained writings that confuses you.  A person believe in God, who is a spirit, yes. Then how do we come to believe in this spirit God, is it not by faith  which you know the definition off.  We pray, by an act of faith.    If you want to choose what you want to believe from the bible ,the you are essentially custom building the God you want and not the God who has revealed himself through his Holy word.  

 

Hebrews 11King James Version (KJV)

⁶ But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[ruck1b]

16 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

See, this tells me all I need to know. You asked a question. Repeatedly. I answered repeatedly. Now your accusing me of not answering. Tells everyone, what we need to know

Again, you didn't answer my question.  You answered what you believed my question to be, that is two totally different things.  But I also gave you consideration and asked more questions. Like I said I accept that you believe that the Bible is the Inspired word of God.  I'm asking what do you mean by that, and you have not answered.  I have asked you more questions which you refused to answer because I wont agree with your initial answer.   You want me to "accept"/but actually agree what you are saying but dont' want to accept what I am saying?  You don't have to agree with it, honestly you don't have to accept it. But if we are going to have some honest conversation can you answer what I am actually asking.  Seriously this is my last reply talking about my lack of acceptance and your lack of answering the question.  We can either continue on with the actual conversation or not. So I guess based on your next reply that will determine if I further engage with you on this topic.

Edited January 3, 2017 by ruck1b

[ruck1b]

4 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Well ruck , hope you don't mind i shorten the spelling of your title.  Christianity is both of the tangible and intangbile world, that is spiritual and historical.  If you only look at the historical, then you will come to subjective conclusions as you will always see a flaw or some unexplained writings that confuses you.  A person believe in God, who is a spirit, yes. Then how do we come to believe in this spirit God, is it not by faith  which you know the definition off.  We pray, by an act of faith.    If you want to choose what you want to believe from the bible ,the you are essentially custom building the God you want and not the God who has revealed himself through his Holy word.  

 

Hebrews 11King James Version (KJV)

⁶ But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

LOL...that's hilarious.  Seems like there was a massive pick and choose at the council of Nicea.  But I digress.  The Hebrews quote is actually a beautiful one. God truly is  a rewarder of those that diligently seek HIM. 
 

[warrior12]

28 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

LOL...that's hilarious.  Seems like there was a massive pick and choose at the council of Nicea.  But I digress.  The Hebrews quote is actually a beautiful one. God truly is  a rewarder of those that diligently seek HIM. 
 

Come now ruck, give some meaningful response.  How do you actually diligently seek God.    By conclusion, i see you reject the New Testament as  God's word.  Am i correct in that statement or state your case then.  OR, do you only reject Paul as an apostle sent by Jesus Christ as to his testimony.  Make your statement brother, you have my ear. 

[ruck1b]

32 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Come now ruck, give some meaningful response.  How do you actually diligently seek God.    By conclusion, i see you reject the New Testament as  God's word.  Am i correct in that statement or state your case then.  OR, do you only reject Paul as an apostle sent by Jesus Christ as to his testimony.  Make your statement brother, you have my ear. 

My last response was meaningful.  The council of Nicea picked and choose what it would tell people Gods word is, and people have accepted it.    As far as your conclusions go save them. I stated specifically what I believe the Bible to be.  I believe it contains Gods word but isn't God's word.  The NT is included in that.   My questions were also plain.  What do you mean when you say that the Bible is the word of God.  You will then retort well I show you timothy, then I will say but what do YOU MEAN?  Then you will probably say that the natural mind doesn't understand spiritual things....my response will be exactly.   I know its in our nature to complicate things, but this is not complicated.  What do you mean?  If you feel you have answered it then that's fine as well, but please don't conclude anything about me. 

[soonsister]

On 12/29/2016 at 2:23 PM, ruck1b said:

First let me begin by saying I know this is a touchy subject but it is my hope that this brings thoughtful and thought provoking discussion.  If you feel that this topic is too touchy for you I ask that you do not participate in it.  Now to the questions.

For those that believe the Bible to be the Word of God, what do you mean by that? 

Great preamble. I should have thought to include that in my Messiah discussion first off.

When I think of what the word of God is , I think it to be inspired aching through the indwelling holy spirit and unto the scribes or those who thought to take down what was speaking to their heart.

Thank God for their doing so in that regard. Rather than thinking it was just some wild imagining that could be left to come and go without record.

When I think of God being in all things how else other than through the majesty of all things we see speak to us that he is there? The spirit that is God would have to reach to us in a way we could understand. And then over the ages inspire translation capabilities in our consciousness so that we could translate what was given to people of one tongue, to write it out for people who spoke other. This way the words of Holy Spirit reached all people who were born from that Spirit.

 

 

[ruck1b]

3 minutes ago, soonsister said:

Great preamble. I should have thought to include that in my Messiah discussion first off.

When I think of what the word of God is , I think it to be inspired aching through the indwelling holy spirit and unto the scribes or those who thought to take down what was speaking to their heart.

Thank God for their doing so in that regard. Rather than thinking it was just some wild imagining that could be left to come and go without record.

When I think of God being in all things how else other than through the majesty of all things we see speak to us that he is there? The spirit that is God would have to reach to us in a way we could understand. And then over the ages inspire translation capabilities in our consciousness so that we could translate what was given to people of one tongue, to write it out for people who spoke other. This way the words of Holy Spirit reached all people who were born from that Spirit.

 

 

Thank you for your reply.

[warrior12]

26 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

My last response was meaningful.  The council of Nicea picked and choose what it would tell people Gods word is, and people have accepted it.    As far as your conclusions go save them. I stated specifically what I believe the Bible to be.  I believe it contains Gods word but isn't God's word.  The NT is included in that.   My questions were also plain.  What do you mean when you say that the Bible is the word of God.  You will then retort well I show you timothy, then I will say but what do YOU MEAN?  Then you will probably say that the natural mind doesn't understand spiritual things....my response will be exactly.   I know its in our nature to complicate things, but this is not complicated.  What do you mean?  If you feel you have answered it then that's fine as well, but please don't conclude anything about me. 

ruck, if you choose to respond in parables, then unfortunately, i have to draw some conclusions as you are not being clear.   You want a dialogue that runs in circle and distortion.  That is not meaningful. Ok, so we have come to the council of Nicea and you see problems there.  May the good Lord open your spiritual eyes to his revelation and your enlightenment will become clear.  You have to have that faith though. 

[soonsister]

I think we have to ask what are the parameters in debating the credibility of the council of Nicea? Before we pursue that end of the discussion here.