"All Believers Taken" In The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a False Teaching!

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marcus O'Reillius said:

We have a difference of opinion there too.

Well now you're starting your question off on your premise, which I have concluded after study, has no basis in Scripture.

I also notice it includes the preposition "if" - and so I have to play along with your a priori and foregone conclusion.

I would change your follow on to your faulty premise of a Pre-Trib Rapture that -

The Church Age ends ON the Day of the Lord.

And furthermore, the Day of the Lord, and its "Last Day" is not the last day of the one 'seven'.
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So restating your "what if" question - I will simply declare that the Rapture happens on the (first part of the) Day of the Lord in the second half of the one 'seven' at some unknown Day that only the Father knows.

And everything I just stated is in accordance with Scripture.

But I'm not going to play your "what if" game.

It is too bad, for the "what if" is the truth of scripture that so far you have not seen. So have it your way. The day will come, however, when you will discover the "what if" is truth and is scriptural.

The Church Age ends ON the Day of the Lord.  I see this as exactly what Paul teachers in 1 Thes. I would change it slightly:

The Church Age ends when the  Day of the Lord begins.

I would also agree, the Day of the Lord begins over 7 years before the last 24 hour period of the 70th week of Daniel.

But I believe the scripture shows us that the rapture comes just before the Day of the Lord, on the last day of the church age, and before the Wrath of God comes. In Revelation that would be just before the 6th seal.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

52 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 The Olivet discourse takes the Jews from that time right through the 70th week to the end. It is not pointed to the Gentile church at all.

But Jesus is not talking to the "Jews" - the religious authorities of that time.

Jesus is speaking to the Church.

This discourse, is the fifth and final discourse of Matthew, who centers his Gospel around those discourses.  All of them are relevant to us.

We have a deep difference in opinion.

Yours is necessitated by your eschatology.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marcus O'Reillius said:

To quote Top Gun: "Negative Ghostrider."

That's your eschatology, not mine - nor is it consistent with the whole of end-time prophecy.

From the second of two twin parallel accounts in chapter 12:

Rev 12:16-17 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

And from Rev chapters 13-16; the detailed parallel account of just the one 'seven' as appended to the broad overview of the Seals/Scroll account of Rev chapters 4-11:

Rev 13:7  It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them...

This verse does not prove there was not a pretrib rapture. There will be NEW BELIEVERS as soon as the church is taken.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Just now, iamlamad said:

The day will come, however, when you will discover the "what if" is truth and is scriptural.

Is this more prophecy from you?

Why don't we all become like children and just say it will all pan out in the end and become Pan-Millennials instead.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Just now, iamlamad said:

This verse does not prove there was not a pretrib rapture. There will be NEW BELIEVERS as soon as the church is taken.

Oh yeah, a new class of people never mentioned in the Bible - "tribulation saints".  Uh-huh.  Yeah, right.  No, I don't believe you or your take on this.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marcus O'Reillius said:

But Jesus is not talking to the "Jews" - the religious authorities of that time.

Jesus is speaking to the Church.

This discourse, is the fifth and final discourse of Matthew, who centers his Gospel around those discourses.  All of them are relevant to us.

We have a deep difference in opinion.

Yours is necessitated by your eschatology.

He was speaking to JEWISH MEN before they were born again to become a part of the Body of Christ on earth.  Do YOU attend a synagogue?

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Just now, iamlamad said:

 Do YOU attend a synagogue?

What kind of perverted question is that?

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Just now, iamlamad said:

He was speaking to JEWISH MEN...

No - they were Disciples!

[iamlamad]

6 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

No - they were Disciples!

Did you not notice that all 12 Disciples were JEWS? (And Paul to follow later also a Jew)

[iamlamad]

13 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

What kind of perverted question is that?

Luke 21:12

But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

 

It was not perverted at all. The Olivet Discourse was directed to Jewish men about the end of THEIR age. The church age could be likened to a parenthesis inserted into the Jewish age they were living in. The moment the church is go, TIME will go right back to the Jewish age they were living in - which will end with the 70th week.

Edited June 7, 2017 by iamlamad