To remember the dead

[markdohle]

6 hours ago, Davida said:

oh please, that is really  so disingenuous.  You wrote a little Rcc teaching essay of rcc teachings on praying for the dead and Catholic saints.(that btw the ones you refer are  only the Catholic "saints" that have been declared as "saints" by the Pope)

You also claimed that the Catholic saints are "praying" for us. For what mark? what are they praying for us about? Answering people's requests to them?

So the Bible calls ALL people who repent and become born again are called the Christian saints through Jesus Christ. No miracles documented, no Pope involved. 

Writing teaching essays is what you do mark. You speak at rcc retreats, you are purposely promoting Rcc doctrines at an Evangelical Christian site. 

 

I got it.  That is why after this is over, I will just comment on threads, or if I post, it will be something that is not as you say disingenuous.  Perhaps I was, not my intent though.

Peace
Mark

[markdohle]

7 hours ago, warrior12 said:

Mark, could you explain a bit more what you mean here, or what are you talking about ?.

We are more than just conscious beings, we have a vast inner world that we are not often aware of.   Many of our wounds, our personality problems, our addictions etc., have deep roots in our past.  As Jesus said:  All will be brought to light, what is hidden will be made known.  I believe that can be applied to us as well. Luke 8:17

In the NDE, the life review seems to bring that out.

Peace
Mark

[Wayne222]

Well to pray for the departed is not a sin.They are already perfected.But maybe prayers for them are useful in other ways.

[Guest Thallasa]

14 hours ago, Yowm said:

Why is it when one side pushes Truth, the other side uses the 'hate card'?

because God's truth is bigger than any one of our interpretations ,as we can see from history, and, the least we can do , is try to learn from each other, especially if the person truly loves Jesus Christ . If a person begins to understand, that love and  not always being 'right ' in your own eyes ' opens' the heart to the Holy Spirit .The Holy Spirit opens the mind to higher knowledge, not all of which is spelled out in the bible as it it .  

As a lack of the spirit , you get fear ,hatred ,insularity ,assumption of the correctness of your own interpretation .  The lies told in history must be corrected, in order to bring out the truth ,and to do that you must hear all sides . All churches are guilty of partisanship, and this is why I do not belong at the moment to any Church .

[Guest Thallasa]

3 hours ago, eileenhat said:

I was thinking about a man I love and two years ago he completely vanished.  Then God told me he had been killed.

Since I couldn't track him down and all his friends couldn't either, we've realized he has disappeared into whatever addiction was eating him from within (there were several deadly kinds he had buried himself in and all my efforts to help were in vain).

Today I suddenly realize he was only a memory and how he really is right now is dust and bones.....I mean we finally have let him go.  He's gone.

An awful picture indeed.

But he hated anything religious.  So ...nothing could be done.

...

So what is death?

Dust and bones...for those not saved by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

I do believe this may be true, at least for the moment ,but there are those who are believers who need prayers still as I have exprienced ,and prayers have brought peace to them  .

[Guest Thallasa]

12 hours ago, markdohle said:

We are more than just conscious beings, we have a vast inner world that we are not often aware of.   Many of our wounds, our personality problems, our addictions etc., have deep roots in our past.  As Jesus said:  All will be brought to light, what is hidden will be made known.  I believe that can be applied to us as well. Luke 8:17

In the NDE, the life review seems to bring that out.

Peace
Mark

More truth Mark ,and I hope someone will hear . I saw the ravages in Scotland of many of the false beliefs of the kind of lack of hope that taking certain passages too literally led to - a totally graceless society, which hated God, while pronoucing belief, in leading to control of business and life in general by free masonry (the Scottish rite etc.)

Interestingly ,the présidents mother's sister  was chased by this kind of protestantism ,which had replaced roman catholicism of the best and most honest kind, (by violence of course ) barely related to Rome, and kind in it's living .

edited to clarify .

About Scotland, where the religion reflected more the harshness of their own attitudes and conditions ,rather than that of a loving forgiving God . While it may be true that the dead who died in unbelief cannot help themselves ,an educated and more just opinion might consider that many people for many reasons, did not belief in a Holy loving God because they had little chance to know Him from the ignorance and attitude of those who said they represented Him .So to pray for them to ask God for mercy for their souls seems to me to be something Jesus would hear .The bible is limited ,there was much more that Jesus said ,but many would not understand yet ,as , if you do not have compassion ,belief means nothing ,nothing at all to God

This common attitude made this country a kind of hell on earth for a long period ,and was the result of false religion .

Edited January 29, 2017 by Thallasa

[Churchmouse]

Praying for those who had their chance when they were alive, seems to spit in the face of God's plan. It's kind of like what I've heard about the Mormon Faith which thinks they can baptize people after they die and so, save their souls. I'm not sure if Mormons are saved, let alone anyone they claim to be able to save.

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎28‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 0:07 AM, BacKaran said:

That's just it, most rccers don't know what they are in so praying to dead people is "normal" in the RCC but it's not honoring God at all.

OK, we agree to disagree but I will keep defending His word as long as the RCC keeps defending it's cult like system with lies, again, as I would do for Islam, Wicca, Mormons etc...

 Perhaps a better more productive thing to do would be to look inwards to find the truth ?

[Guest Thallasa]

8 hours ago, Gary Lee said:

When I was in the RCC, we were taught;  ALL those who died went straight  to purgatory, no one believed they were saved as that was a sin in the RCC, the sin of presumption. We were taught that there was several ways to get your dead loved ones out of purgatory sooner. Prayer was the most economical. Cash was better. (and faster)  You ask your priest to perform a Requiem Mass, also known as Mass for the dead (Latin: Missa pro defunctis). It was not free. I've noticed the majority of catholics I talk to in person, are very receptive to scripture, tho very lacking in understanding. I was one of those at one time. I've also noticed, in my experience, is  that the hardest catholics to convince what the bible actually says are on Christian forums. I would not try to convince one on this forum, unless asked.  I'm writing this for all those lurkers out there who are reading this, searching.     Think, by grace, through faith.    Very simple.   Childlike.   Took me thirty five years to hear those words.  Also, the word repent, in the bible means;            REPENT....to think differently.....to reconsider.         What I did.

 

Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light.

2Co 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Gary Lee

In Him Who is

Semper Fidelis

Coming from a family in Ireland who have been christian since about 400 AD ,we were formed by a softer kinder christianity with less 'baggage ', than that of either the RCC, or the later protestant  colonialist church from England . We probably  knew very little about the OT . or Paul and so we lived in harmony with each other, and our beloved God and Saviourto a large extent  .  

On moving to Scotland as a child, I saw the cynicism of that culture ,and if 'fruits' mean anything, then while the  RCC ISM is tainted , and needs profound reformation ,the answer  is not in protestantism ,nor their 'fruits' of confining the mind/spirit , and the Relationship with God, to conform to that of men who caused the earlier Reformation . All of them terrible sinners and vain too .

To get back to the thread  ,I believe that all of humanity is linked through God, and that we are responsible often for others sins while not admitting it ,so it is impossible for us to judge the ultimate destiny of a soul ; I believe that those who do so condemn  themselves . A also agree that saying tou are saved does not make it so ,and is a deep flaw  in Matin Luthers philosophy .

Luke 18/9-14 ."Two men went up to the temple to pray ",,,,,,,,,

Edited January 29, 2017 by Thallasa

[markdohle]

1 hour ago, Churchmouse said:

Praying for those who had their chance when they were alive, seems to spit in the face of God's plan. It's kind of like what I've heard about the Mormon Faith which thinks they can baptize people after they die and so, save their souls. I'm not sure if Mormons are saved, let alone anyone they claim to be able to save.

 

You are missing the point.  Those in purgation, or healing, or saved......those who freely reject God can't be healed, would not want it if offered.  Mercy and healing have to be received.

Peace
Mark