Extra-Biblical writings can be so very harmful

[Sister]

Yes there was one about the remnants of Israel in the last days.  How God will take them to safety where no man can get to.  I can't remember which book that was in now, It's going to nag me all night night now until I find it.

 

 

 

 

[Guest BacKaran]

Are you Roman Catholic, sounds like the church of rome to me?

[Sister]

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Scripture mentions that...Rev 12:6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.f

But what I mean is there NEW revelation or prophecy OUTSIDE our Scriptures?

No, not outside the scriptures, but there's a few little details that fill in the gaps.

I just remembered, that prophesy about the remants was in Esdras.  There's two books.  I'm looking for it now.

 

 

 

[Sister]

Yes I just remembered.  Can't remember what book.  I'm new to this don't forget.  Still learning my way through.

  The Pharoah who Moses dealt with was the Son of the Pharoah Melol (I think that's his name).  Anyway, this King Melol had a disease, and he was dying.  He had two sons, and one of them he couldn't give his throne to because he talked too fast, and the other one was only a little taller than a cubit, and was very ugly, but was wise.  So this one who was very small, was the Pharoah that Moses dealt with.  He was more wicked than his Father.  He oppressed the Hebrews like nothing before, and commanded that they make so many bricks a day, and this number was huge.  If they couldn't finish their work for the day, then they would go and take their young children and cement them in the walls of the building.  The father's had to do this whilst their children were screaming.  It's sounds unbelievable that anyone would do such a thing, but this small pharoah made this law, and the Hebrews were crying out to God, then God sent Moses, and that King died as you know, swallowed alive in water through the red sea.

My point.  The Pharoah would of been a dwarf or a midget, and this was not mentioned in the scriptures, and second point, he was so cruel beyond imagination.

Now, the funny thing is that in the scriptures, the false prophet is described as having a fierce countenance, and stout, speaking dark sentences.  He will be burried alive, not in water, but in the Lake of fire.

So I am expecting a false prophet who is very short, ugly, and mean.  We will have to wait and see.

 

 

 

 

[Sister]

I think that was in the book of Jasher.

 

 

 

 

[Sister]

17 minutes ago, BacKaran said:

Are you Roman Catholic, sounds like the church of rome to me?

No, I read from home, and do not belong to any church or organisation or cult.

 

 

 

[Sister]

20 minutes ago, BacKaran said:

Are you Roman Catholic, sounds like the church of rome to me?

What apocrypha do or did the Catholic's accept?  Have you got a list of those books?  I'd be interested to see if they are the ones that I like.

 

 

 

[Ezra]

13 minutes ago, Sister said:

What apocrypha do or did the Catholic's accept?  Have you got a list of those books?  I'd be interested to see if they are the ones that I like.

Just check the Vulgate or the Douay-Rheims translation to see which apocryphal books are accepted by the RCC.

[Jayne]

3 hours ago, Abdicate said:

James and Peter quote the book of Enoch. The word of God mentions 7 other books that didn't make the cut. Broad generalizations are never good.

Yes, I’ve heard all of the claims that Jesus, Jude, James, and even Peter quoted Enoch, but I don’t see it.

Why not?

To prove that assertion – it takes more than just matching up some common words, cultural colloquialisms of the day, or similar phrasings from each text and declaring it “quoting”.  One must ask where did the author of Enoch get HIS words from?

Yes, James and Jesus and the author of the book of Enoch both cited a maxim of “woe to the rich” and each in different words explained how riches can’t be trusted and will be lost to those who do so.

But that doesn’t emphatically mean that Jesus and Jude quoted the author of Enoch.  I googled “what does the Bible say about the rich” and found five Old Testament passages from Proverbs, Psalms, and Ezekiel that say basically with same thing without the phrase “woe to the rich” which could have very well been a common  “old saying” in the time of the writing of the book of Enoch and the New Testament since they weren’t written that far apart.

What if the author of Enoch, Jesus, and Jude were all referencing the Old Testament?   Jesus did that a lot and so did the authors of the New Testament.  It appears to be that way. 

• Pro. 23:4-5  Do not toil to acquire wealth; be discerning enough to desist. When your eyes light on it, it is gone, for suddenly it sprouts wings, flying like an eagle toward heaven.
• Prov. 13:11  Wealth gained hastily will dwindle,
•  Ezek. 7:19 They cast their silver into the streets, and their gold is like an unclean thing. Their silver and gold are not able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord. They cannot satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it. For it was the stumbling block of their iniquity.
• Pro. 22:16 Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.
•  Prov. 11:28 Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will flourish like a green leaf.

It’s the same thing for people who like to claim that Jesus, when saying “Bless are the meek, for they will inherit the earth” is quoting the author of Enoch when he said “The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.”

But actually, King David, - truly the Holy Spirit via King David – said it first.  Psalms 37:11 – “But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”  Jesus, again, was referencing the Old Testament.

Many people like to say that Jude “quotes” the author of Enoch in his citation about the real Enoch from the Old Testament.  The verses are similar, that’s true – but not exact quotations. 

And Jude – in truth – is quoting the real Enoch, not the author of the book of Enoch who is a different person separated by thousands of years.  He is citing prophecy from that man of the early Old Testament and because it is in the Bible, the quote must be true.  The real Enoch must have really made this prophecy and said this and it must have been handed down orally for generations.  But all this proves is that the author of the book of Enoch and Jude quoted the oral tradition of the real Enoch – not that Jude quoting the author of the book of Enoch - a different man.

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

Let me ask you – have you actually read the book of Enoch?  I have – all of them and more than once.  There are so many direct and terrible contradictions to the word of God that it is grieves me how anyone could defend it.

 

 

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, Sister said:

I think that was in the book of Jasher.

Yet another dreadful book with contradictions to the word of God.

Sister - can you explain how this contradiction - just this one - and make the book of Adam and Eve credible?

[1]  The Bible says that God commanded Adam and Eve to have babies and to fill the earth.  Genesis 1:27-28a - "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them and said to them, 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.'"  Also, Genesis 5:4 says that Adam and Eve had MORE sons and daughters AFTER Seth was born.

[2]  Your book of Adam and Eve says that having babies never occurred to Adam and he didn't want to do so because he thought it would make God mad.  It took the devil to "tempt" him to have children and they shook hands on it.  Also your book of Adam and Eve says that after Seth was born, Adam and Eve never had sex again and that that was all the children that they had.  No more after Seth.

If the book of Adam and Eve is to be taken seriously and credibly - it MUST match the word of God or at least not contradict it in any way.

It does. 

What is your defense of this error?