The fruits

[Remnantrob]

6 hours ago, Heavenunlimited said:

We know the fruits..   If youre a christian, youre gonna bear good fruit, if not, then thorns.  This is the test to know if someone is born again.  Debate

The bearing of fruit I believe is God's work.  If we die to self and abide in him then I believe that the fruit has no choice but to come.

John 15:4-5

 

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⁴ Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

⁵ I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

Within the scope of judging righteous judgment I think the body of Christ has the right to "judge" within the body.  That is if the person(s) doing the judging aren't guilty themselves.  Fruit inspection is important because of what is in Matthew 7:16-20

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¹⁶ Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

¹⁷ Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

¹⁸ A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

¹⁹ Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

²⁰ Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

 

[OneLight]

10 minutes ago, Heavenunlimited said:

So, isnt Jeuss saying that if a person or ourselves are not showing the fruits we are not in The Lord?

Sort of, but that statement alone may lead to legalism.  There is a process in how God dresses the Vine.  We find in scripture that faith without works is dead.  Works that we do produce fruit, be them good fruit or bad fruit, fruit is the result.  It is when we do nothing at all that we do not bear fruit.  If we do not bear fruit, we are like a dead branch on a vine and will be cut off after a time for not bearing fruit so the rest of the vine will become more fruitful.

John 15:1-8

I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

[Heavenunlimited]

So that must mean, to know if someone is inChrist, or evil or not, we must watch?

[OneLight]

Just now, Heavenunlimited said:

So that must mean, to know if someone is inChrist, or evil or not, we must watch?

We first must watch our own fruit to ensure we are in Him.

2 Corinthians 13:5

Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

Then, if we are in Him, we will know others by their fruits, so watching for the fruits of another will give an idea of whether or not they are of Christ or a false believer.

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, OneLight said:

We first must watch our own fruit to ensure we are in Him.

2 Corinthians 13:5

Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

Then, if we are in Him, we will know others by their fruits, so watching for the fruits of another will give an idea of whether or not they are of Christ or a false believer.

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[Heavenunlimited]

Is it the same as the lunk warm, those, that are on fire for The Lord, those with signs and wonders, those with traits and characteristics that overflow...?   Is it where no evil shows or little or a willingness to crucify it?  How can we be sure we bear the fruit? Or not?  

Is it if we do the good in spite of? We do whats right and good no matter the war inside? 

Lets say, we meet someone. How do we determine their fruits?

[OneLight]

7 minutes ago, Yowm said:

It may be your test, but not mine or the bible. How much fruit? What type of fruit? How much time until the fruit shows? Are you 100% fruitful?

So true!  What many forget is that we all are in different places in our walk in Christ.  Some more mature and bear more fruit than those who are just babies in Christ.  We cannot look at another to judge their salvation, only their fruit, and do so with grace and patience. 

[Heavenunlimited]

Can one fake fruits

[OneLight]

2 minutes ago, Heavenunlimited said:

Is it the same as the lunk warm, those, that are on fire for The Lord, those with signs and wonders, those with traits and characteristics that overflow...?   Is it where no evil shows or little or a willingness to crucify it?  How can we be sure we bear the fruit? Or not?  

Is it if we do the good in spite of? We do whats right and good no matter the war inside? 

Lets say, we meet someone. How do we determine their fruits?

Romans 8:16

 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

[Heavenunlimited]

By their fruit you shall know them..  How do the two work together?