The Kingdom of David

[Jaydog1976]

Oh and as a side note Johan works in a tavern. I asked him one time that if he thinks he is God why does he work in a tavern. He never responded to me with an answer. 

[Johan Abrahams]

5 hours ago, Jaydog1976 said:

Warrior you are not the only one who has a very difficult time understanding Johan. With his disjointed writing, excessive use of capitals and periods, and of course his very erroneous use of scripture it can only be expected that it is almost incomprehensible. 

Warrior to sum up this Johan guy let me give it to you straight. He claims to be God himself and that he has come to give us some new revelation that is not in God's word. He truly believes that his message is true and no matter what you say he continues on with his nonsensical rhetoric. I am not being mean, rude or disrepectful when I say all this. 

Johan has already been banned from the live chat because of his claiming to be God and a post that I had a discussion with him was banned because of his claim. 

Johan has been given the gospel message numerous times to which he replied that he has been saved for 40 years and the message he brings he learned during those 40 years.

Sadly Johan is lost and doesn't really know God's word like,he says he does. Watch his response to this post and you will see what I'm talking about. Truthfully I would find some other post to respond to than this one. But that is me ?

Just a word,of caution, Johan based upon his responses, is not a brother in Christ. We have to be careful that we don't assume everyone on here is. Because of Johans teachings I refuse to label him as such and really quite frankly have labeled him as a false teacher. While I don't know a person's heart what they say and teach reflects what is in the heart. 

JAY . . .YOU ARE SO BUSY PUTTING ME IN DISCREDIT . . YOU TOTALLY MISSED WHAT WARRIOR ASKED.  HE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS GIVING.  YOU JUST RAN ON AND ON . . .ABOUT ME  . . . BUT IT IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE MESSAGE. . .SOMEONE CLOSED YOUR EYES . . WHILE JESUS OPENS THEM . . .AND EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK CAREFULLY AT WHAT THE BLIND SAY IN THEIR BLINDNESS  . . .ACTING AS IF THEY KNOW

Pro 3:11  My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: 
Pro 3:12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. 

LOVE

JOHAN

[Johan Abrahams]

5 hours ago, Jaydog1976 said:

Oh and as a side note Johan works in a tavern. I asked him one time that if he thinks he is God why does he work in a tavern. He never responded to me with an answer. 

SORRY . . .MISSED IT . . .THANKS FOR REMINDING ME .  .

SELLING LIQUOR . . .AS I AM IN THE SAME BUSINESS AS GOD . . .HE MADE IT  . . AND I AM SELLING IT 

LOVE 

JOHAN

[Johan Abrahams]

5 hours ago, warrior12 said:

Thanks Jaydog1976 .  I did read your heads up in the very early reply, but wanted to see his line of thoughts.     For someone to think they are God here on earth now, is truly  disturbing and we must pray for our brother in that regard.  thanks again.

FOR WHAT YOU ARE THANKING HIM . . .HE HELPED WITH NOTHING . . .AS YOU SAID . ..YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MESSAGE WAS ABOUT . . .AND HE . . .IN HIS BLINDNESS . . .FUMBLED WITH ME. . . .AND NOW YOU BELIEVE OUR BLIND BROTHER . . SAID  . ..THAT I SAID I AM GOD . . .WELL IF I SAID IT THEN HE CAN OBVIOUSLY SHOW ME WHERE . . .JUST GIVE US A LINK  .. BECAUSE I DO NOT REMEMBER SAYING IT BECAUSE I ALSO DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM GOD . . .SO HE SHOULD PROVE IT  . . .BUT ON THE OTHER HAND . . .HOW CAN THE BLIND PROVE ANYTHING AS THEY ARE BLIND

Pro 3:11  My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: 
Pro 3:12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. 

 AND WHILE YOU WILL BE PRAYING FOR ME TO "SEE" I WILL DO THE SAME FOR HIM AND YOU

LOVE

"BROTHER JOHAN"

[Johan Abrahams]

5 hours ago, Jaydog1976 said:

Glad to my friend. We do need to pray for him. We also need to be praying for those that sitting under Johan's teaching. He has followers (I have seen his Facebook page and have read his website) and he calls them his Children.

JOHN DID THE SAME  AND PAUL GAVE US SOME WORD ON IT

1Co 4:15  For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 
1Co 4:16  Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 

My heart goes out to them because they need the truth of the gospel not this man.

WELL THEN YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO THEM . . .AS THE MEANS IS THERE . . .THERE IS MY FORUM . . .AND THERE IS MY FACEBOOK PAGE . . .AND AS YOU HAVE SEEN . . .GOD IS IN CHARGE EVERYWHERE IN MY LIFE . . . I WILL NOT "HIDE" YOUR MESSAGES  . . .OR EXPEL YOU BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD . . .I WILL JUST ALLOW THE TRUE HEAD OF THE CHURCH . . .JESUS . . . .DEAL WITH YOU AS HE IS IN CHARGE EVERYWHERE AND WHERE HE IS  . . .IS FREEDOM . . .NOT LAWS  . .GOVERNED BY HUMAN BEINGS

2Co 3:17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

He is leading them down the same path of destruction that he is. 

NOPE . . .SAME AS YOU . . .I AM LEADING THEM AND YOU TO YOUR FREEDOM . . .FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF THE LAW AND THOSE EXERCISING IT TO CONTROL PEOPLE

Isa 42:21  The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 
Isa 42:22  But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 
Isa 42:23  Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 

LOVE JOHAN

 

[warrior12]

Johan. I just did not understand what you were saying in your post. I asked you to break it down so i can understand what you are  really saying.  Your reply was in time it will be revealed or something to that effect.  I just wanted to get your message.  So, don't drag  me into your beef with the other guy, as  i am not entertaining those kind of petty things.  

[Jaydog1976]

14 minutes ago, Johan Abrahams said:

FOR WHAT YOU ARE THANKING HIM . . .HE HELPED WITH NOTHING . . .AS YOU SAID . ..YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MESSAGE WAS ABOUT . . .AND HE . . .IN HIS BLINDNESS . . .FUMBLED WITH ME. . . .AND NOW YOU BELIEVE OUR BLIND BROTHER . . SAID  . ..THAT I SAID I AM GOD . . .WELL IF I SAID IT THEN HE CAN OBVIOUSLY SHOW ME WHERE . . .JUST GIVE US A LINK  .. BECAUSE I DO NOT REMEMBER SAYING IT BECAUSE I ALSO DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM GOD . . .SO HE SHOULD PROVE IT  . . .BUT ON THE OTHER HAND . . .HOW CAN THE BLIND PROVE ANYTHING AS THEY ARE BLIND

Pro 3:11  My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: 
Pro 3:12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. 

 AND WHILE YOU WILL BE PRAYING FOR ME TO "SEE" I WILL DO THE SAME FOR HIM AND YOU

LOVE

"BROTHER JOHAN"

Unfortunately you did which I pointed out to the moderators who then banned the post. It was in The Marriage post that created a couple days ago. And yes you did it in the live chat as well. I can even bring in witnesses if you would like? Maybe that will jog some memories. 

Johan you are nothing but hot air just making noise. I will not spend any more time with you since I have spent way too much of my life dealing with this nonsense. I am sorry but you have got to stop using the capitalization, the periods, etc. It does not make you sound important or your so called message that much more important. Instead capitalization indicates yelling and shouting. Why are you shouting at us? Do you think for a moment shouting and yelling at us is going to make us listen to this nonsense? I have made it very clear where you errors are and I have called you out on all points yet you continue with this. 

Johan I really hope that people read what is posted here and can see through your delusion. I trust in God's Word not yours. Not yours at all. Anyway I will let you alone now and let God deal with you in His time and in His way. I do hope and truly pray Johan that you will see the light before it is way too late. There is nothing more that I can here that will persuade you to change your doctrine or you whole thought process on what salvation is and who God really is. I have done everything that I can do show you the truth and I will let you to your own devices.

[Jaydog1976]

33 minutes ago, Johan Abrahams said:

SORRY . . .MISSED IT . . .THANKS FOR REMINDING ME .  .

SELLING LIQUOR . . .AS I AM IN THE SAME BUSINESS AS GOD . . .HE MADE IT  . . AND I AM SELLING IT 

LOVE 

JOHAN

One last post so you think that God wants you His messenger to sell something that will cause people to stumble and even commit sin? And then to use God as an excuse to sell it? This quote Johan shows your true heart and where your focus is really it. I can assure you that God would not be serving liquor to people in a tavern so that they can sin and gratify themselves. I am done with this conversation and I really hope that people stay away from this guy and what he teaches. 

[Omegaman 3.0]

Okay, too much of what is going on in this thread is getting to be about the posters, not the topic. Not going to point any fingers specifically, but assess your own comments, and keep the subject in mind.

[Jaydog1976]

17 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Okay, too much of what is going on in this thread is getting to be about the posters, not the topic. Not going to point any fingers specifically, but assess your own comments, and keep the subject in mind.

Omegaman I am staying out of this conversation because it is a worthless to discuss it anymore. My comments were not meant to attack Johan personally. That was not my intent. 

Omegaman I have discussed this thread's points numerous times and have really presented the truth, through scriptures, to Johan. I have made them as clear as day. Yet he continues teaching this stuff. If my comments came of too thick I apologize and will try to be more kind.

While I will not stand by and let false teaching go unnoticed I also don't want to say something that would offend either. I will not respond to this or any other of this OP posts anymore. I have wasted too much of my life on it and will go discuss other things. I'll let others respond and I really hope maybe they can have more of an influence than I hope I had. I planted the seed and will keep it there and let God do the work.

As a side note Johan has been banned from the live chat over the same things he has posted here. He also had a forum post as well that was banned due to the same rhetoric you have seen here and in other posts. 

Well off to bigger and better things like school work. Omegaman thanks for the reminder about being kind and staying in topic. I think I got a little irritated and it got the best of me. While the OP will continue posting this stuff I'll back out and let others respond to it if they choose to. 

 

Edited February 23, 2017 by Jaydog1976
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