Who is Doing the Forgiving

[Jayne]

8 minutes ago, newnature said:

If something is not logical to the natural person’s way of thinking they refuses to believe it, whether God said it or not, they want to remain in their comfort zone.

That was just my point to you.  The author of that blog is in a "comfort zone" of his own refusing to believe God's Word.

What I cited to you was what God said - not my natural thinking.  Your issue is with the author of that blog, not me.  Everything I said can be proven from God's Word.  What the blogger said can be disproven by God's Words.

Do YOU have your own words, brother?

[newnature]

3 minutes ago, Jayne said:

That was just my point to you.  The author of that blog is in a "comfort zone" of his own refusing to believe God's Word.

What I cited to you was what God said - not my natural thinking.  Your issue is with the author of that blog, not me.  Everything I said can be proven from God's Word.  What the blogger said can be disproven by God's Words.

Do YOU have your own words, brother?

If the enemy can deceive us into believing a lie, they can control our life in that area. We are saints whom God has declared righteous. Believing the enemies lie will lock us into a defeated, fruitless life, but believing God’s truth about who we are will set us free. It’s imperative to our growth and maturity that we believe God’s truth about who we are. We must learn how to resolve previous conflicts or the emotional baggage will accumulate as we continue to withdraw from life. The past will control our life as our options for handling it continue to decrease. Perceiving those events from the perspective of our new identity which God sealed in the Savior is what starts the process of healing those damaged emotions, because we have the privilege of evaluating our past experience in the light of who we are now as opposed to who we were then. Since their primary weapon is the lie, our belt of truth is continually being attacked. If they can disable us in the area of truth, we become an easy target for their other attacks. We stand firm in the truth by relation everything we do to the truth of God’s word and when we learn to live in the truth on a daily basis, we will grow to love the truth because we will have nothing to hide. It’s not wise for us to live on the enemies level.

[Jayne]

6 minutes ago, newnature said:

If the enemy can deceive us into believing a lie, they can control our life in that area. We are saints whom God has declared righteous. Believing the enemies lie will lock us into a defeated, fruitless life, but believing God’s truth about who we are will set us free. It’s imperative to our growth and maturity that we believe God’s truth about who we are. We must learn how to resolve previous conflicts or the emotional baggage will accumulate as we continue to withdraw from life. The past will control our life as our options for handling it continue to decrease. Perceiving those events from the perspective of our new identity which God sealed in the Savior is what starts the process of healing those damaged emotions, because we have the privilege of evaluating our past experience in the light of who we are now as opposed to who we were then. Since their primary weapon is the lie, our belt of truth is continually being attacked. If they can disable us in the area of truth, we become an easy target for their other attacks. We stand firm in the truth by relation everything we do to the truth of God’s word and when we learn to live in the truth on a daily basis, we will grow to love the truth because we will have nothing to hide. It’s not wise for us to live on the enemies level.

I see .... you are just playing a game that I have no time to engage in.  Have a nice day.  But remember what I said about this person not being Biblically valid.

[newnature]

5 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I see .... you are just playing a game that I have no time to engage in.  Have a nice day.  But remember what I said about this person not being Biblically valid.

 

5 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I see .... you are just playing a game that I have no time to engage in.  Have a nice day.  But remember what I said about this person not being Biblically valid.

Finding rest sounds rather foreign to us, an idea too unrealistic or too good to be true, because somewhere in our life we have been involved in the relationships of our environments that were based on conditions. Standards may have become so deeply ingrained that we are not even aware of them, let alone conscious of how to get free from their tyranny, constantly trying to measure up to standards that are higher than we can reach. This is why God allows all kinds of things into our lives which he uses to strip us of our personal sense of worth. God is making us conformable to the death of Jesus so that in living this experience we might become conformed in his resurrection. This process is not enjoyable, because it’s hard to learn that life cannot be controlled, it’s far too spontaneous and rambunctious to be fully understood.

[newnature]

47 minutes ago, Yowm said:

All the gobbly goop with the stars has nothing over the Son.

Those men were the prophets of old. Those mens hope were written in the stars before the second Adam was born.

[newnature]

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

There is no inspired interpretation of the star movements...all man's speculation. I saw the same thing when I studied astrology while into the occult. There were thick books describing it all...non inspired by God.

A figure of speech relates to the form in which the words are used. It consists in the fact that a word or words are used out of their ordinary sense, or place, or manner, for the purpose of attracting our attention to what is said. In Genesis chapter three, we have neither allegory, myth, legend, nor fable, but literal historical facts set forth, and emphasized by the use of certain figures of speech. When Satan is spoken of as a ‘serpent’, it is the figure Hypocatastasis or Implication. An implied resemblance or representation. 

 

Other figures of speech are used in Genesis 3:14-15, but only for the same purpose of emphasizing the truth and the reality of what is said. “Thou shalt bruise his heel”, it cannot mean his literal heel of flesh and blood, but suffering, more temporary in character. 

 

“He shall crush thy head”, it means something more than a skull of bone, and brain, and hair. It means that all Satan’s plans and plots, policy and purposes, will one day be finally crushed and ended, never more to mar or to hinder the purposes of God.

 

This will be effected when Satan shall be bruised under our feet (Romans 16:20). This, again, will not be our literal feet, but something much more real. The bruising of the second Adam’s heel is the most eloquent and impressive way of foretelling the most solemn events; and to point out that the effort made by Satan to evade his doom, then threatened, would become the very means of insuring its accomplishment; for it was through the death of the second Adam that he who had the power of death would be destroyed; and all Satan’ power and policy brought to an end, and all his works destroyed.

[newnature]

22 minutes ago, Yowm said:

This has absolutely nothing to do with interpreting constellation movements and assigning them to certain events. It may involve allegories and figures of speech but it is divorced from fact unlike the figures of speech and types in Scripture which are inspired by God as well as contain an inspired connection.

 You just can't make things up willy nilly and expect others to believe it.

The history of Genesis chapter three is intended to teach us the fact that Satan’s sphere of activities is in the religious sphere, and not the spheres of crime or immorality; that his battlefield is not the sins arising from human depravity, but the unbelief of the human heart. We are not to look for Satan’s activities today in the newspaper press, or the police courts; but in the pulpit, and in professors’ chairs. Whenever the Word of God is called in question, there we see the trail of that old serpent?

 

Genesis 3:14-15 - What literal words could portray these literal facts so wonderfully as these expressive figures of speech? It is the same with the other figures used in versus 14, “On thy belly shalt thou go”. This figure means infinitely more than the literal belly of flesh and blood. It paints for the eyes of our mind the picture of Satan’s ultimate humiliation; for prostration was ever the most eloquent sign of subjection. Ps. 44:25 denotes such a prolonged prostration and such a depth of submission as could never be conveyed or expressed in literal words.

[newnature]

6 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Below is what I ORIGINALLY questioned you on but now you keep bringing up Genesis 3... Hello?

NewNature said,

"In Cancer we see it with reference to his redeemed. The three constellations develop the truth. What is now called Ursa Minor is the Lesser Flock; Ursa Major gives us The Sheepfold and the Sheep; while Argo, The Ship, shows the travelers and the pilgrims brought safely home, all conflict over. 

 

Ursa Minor. The Little Bear - the lesser sheep-fold. A grievous mistake, or ignorant perversion of primitive truth, as shown in the ancient names of these two constellations. No bear was ever seen with such a tail! No one who had ever seen a bear would have called attention to a tail, such as no bear ever had, by placing in its very tip the most important, wondrous, and mysterious Polar Star, the central star of the heaven, round which all others revolve. 

 

The brightest star, at the point of the tail, is the most important in the whole heaven. it is named Al Ruccaba, which means the turned or ridden on, and is today the Polar or central star, which does not revolve in a circle as does every other star, but remains, apparently, fixed in its position. But though the star does not revolve like the others, the central point in the heaven is very slowly but steadily moving. When these constellations were formed, the Dragon possessed this important point, and the star in Draco, marked this central point. But, by its gradual recession, that point is sufficiently near this star Al Reccaba, in the Lesser Sheepfold, for it to be what is called the Polar Star. The Polar Star has been removed from the Dragon, and is now in the Lesser Fold.

 

But, how could this have been known five or six thousand years ago? How could it have been known when it received its name, which means the turned or ridden on? That it was known is clear; so likewise was it made known in the written Word that the original blessing included not merely the multiplication of the seed of faithful Abraham, but it was then aded, “And thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies” (Genesis 22:17). 

 

Is not this the primitive truth of the Revelation? Will not this Lesser Fold be high, yea, the highest in position? The Polar Star has been removed from the Dragon, and is now in the Lesser Fold; and when the Dragon shall be cast down from the heaven, the Lesser Fold will be safely folded there. But this is the Lesser Sheepfold, which is compared “to the stars of heaven,” but there is the seed that is compared to “the sand of the sea”, the larger flock who will enjoy the earthly blessing also. Ursa Major (The Great Bear) The fold and the flock. 

 

It is a large and important constellation, and it always presents a splendid appearance, and is perhaps, therefore, the best know of all the constellations. In the Book of Job 9:9; 38:31-32 it is mentioned under the name of Ash. “Canst thou guide Ash and her offspring?” which is rendered in the AV, “Arcturus and his sons.” The brightest star is named Dubhe, which means a herd of animals, or a flock, and gives its name to the whole constellation. The ancient Israelite commentators interpreted Ash as the seven stars of this constellation. There is not one discordant voice in the rich abundance of this testimony. We see only the innumerable seed gathered by him who scattered (Jeremiah 31:10). The prophecies of this gathering are as conspicuous in the Word of God as the “Seven Stars” in the sky. It is difficult even to make a selection from the wealth of such promises (Ezekiel 34:12-16). It is of this judgment with which this book, and indeed the whole Revelation, ends, in the next Sign, and final chapter, Leo. 

 

But before we come to Leo, we have one more picture in the third constellation of this Sign, which combines the first two in one. Argo (The Ship) The pilgrims safe at home. Argo, it tells of that blessed home coming (Isaiah 35:10; 51:9-11; Jeremiah 31:11-12). The return of the great emigrant-ship (Argo) and all its company of travelers, for this is the meaning of the word Argo. It will indeed be a large vessel, the true Argo, with its company of travelers, “a great multitude which no man can number.” Its brightest star is called Canopus which means the possession of him who cometh. Is not all this exactly in harmony with the rest of this sign? Jeremiah 30:10-11; the whole chapter of Isaiah 60 should be read if we wish to understand the great teaching of this Sign of Cancer."

Genesis 1:1 shouldn’t have happened.

[Jewels7]

3 hours ago, lance.dunlop said:

I legitimately am not sure of what's being said here. I'm not sure if you're expanding on something, or if you're contending against something half the time.

That may be because it isn't an original thought that carries the conversation forward?

I've found they're copying and pasting from an uncredited-linked source. Either at Bible forum. (HERE) Where they rearranged paragraph in order to make a post reply here. 
Or they're using this blogspot site for source copy/paste.

Of course it could be the same person doing this but I wouldn't think so being if someone did write their own material they'd link to the source in the event it is stumbled upon elsewhere.And in the case of a blogspot I'd think someone would want to link that so as to give the blog more notice. 

 

 

[Jewels7]

15 minutes ago, newnature said:

Genesis 1:1 shouldn’t have happened.

It should have been a passage worded far better I agree. Had it not happened you nor I would be here to make these observations of Genesis 1:1.