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[zorgblar]

why do we get baptized ?Is it needed for salvation?

[missmuffet]

Question: "Is baptism necessary for salvation?"

Answer: The belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as "baptismal regeneration." It is our contention that baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but we adamantly reject baptism as being required for salvation. We strongly believe that each and every Christian should be water baptized by immersion. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Romans 6:3-4 declares, “Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection.

Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ's death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus' death alone paid for our sins (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus' payment for our sins is appropriated to our “account” by faith alone (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation.

Yes, there are some verses that seem to indicate baptism as a requirement for salvation. However, since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5), there must be a different interpretation of those verses. Scripture does not contradict Scripture. In Bible times, a person who converted from one religion to another was often baptized to identify conversion. Baptism was the means of making a decision public. Those who refused to be baptized were saying they did not truly believe. So, in the minds of the apostles and early disciples, the idea of an un-baptized believer was unheard of. When a person claimed to believe in Christ, yet was ashamed to proclaim his faith in public, it indicated that he did not have true faith.

If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius” (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Granted, in this passage Paul is arguing against the divisions that plagued the Corinthian church. However, how could Paul possibly say, “I am thankful that I did not baptize…” or “For Christ did not send me to baptize…” if baptism were necessary for salvation? If baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would literally be saying, “I am thankful that you were not saved…” and “For Christ did not send me to save…” That would be an unbelievably ridiculous statement for Paul to make. Further, when Paul gives a detailed outline of what he considers the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-8), why does he neglect to mention baptism? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism?

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-salvation.html

[The_Patriot21]

1 minute ago, zorgblar said:

why do we get baptized ?Is it needed for salvation?

 

some say yes, some say no, but the bottom line is because Jesus told us to, and Jesus Himself was baptized as an example. It symbolizes our death from sin and resurrection into new life with Christ, and to me, its an act of faith. I won't say that baptism saves you-but, I will ask where your faith is if you refuse to be baptized. 

 

Mark 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[Your closest friendnt]

5 minutes ago, The_Patriot2017 said:

 

some say yes, some say no, but the bottom line is because Jesus told us to, and Jesus Himself was baptized as an example. It symbolizes our death from sin and resurrection into new life with Christ, and to me, its an act of faith. I won't say that baptism saves you-but, I will ask where your faith is if you refuse to be baptized. 

 

Mark 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He that believeth not shall be damned, 

This scripture judges not those who believe and are not baptized, but only those who have refused to believe. 

And even though they have refused to believe at a time , they still may believe later on, like a lot of us. 

If they die with the denial, yes they are damned. 

But that scripture does not say anything about those who have not been preached the Gospel. 

Only about those who heard and denied to believe and died with the denial. 

[The_Patriot21]

Just now, Your closest friendnt said:

He that believeth not shall be damned, 

This scripture judges not those who believe and are not baptized, but only those who have refused to believe. 

And even though they have refused to believe at a time , they still may believe later on, like a lot of us. 

If they die with the denial, yes they are damned. 

But that scripture does not say anything about those who have not been preached the Gospel. 

Only about those who heard and denied to believe and died with the denial. 

I agree belief is the core issue-without belief, there is nothing, but the question is, if you cant follow through with the most basic of Gods commands, which is repeated multiple times in scripture, do you really believe?

[woundeddog]

Baptism is symbolic, and is not needed to be saved-- but out of obedience and thankfulness to Jesus Christ we should be . It is an outward sign of an inward event--- some churches say you have to be baptized to be saved- but that makes it  work, and will actually keep a person out of heaven if they think it will get them in

[Kindle]

43 minutes ago, zorgblar said:

why do we get baptized ?Is it needed for salvation?

Christ got baptised. We are supposed to follow his example. Its the outward showing that you give your life fully to Christ. Your being reborn, The old man is dying and the holy spirit comes in to lead & guide you on the path of righteousness

1 Peter 3:21 And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Galatians 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

 

Edited March 12, 2017 by worthy

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, The_Patriot2017 said:

I agree belief is the core issue-without belief, there is nothing, but the question is, if you cant follow through with the most basic of Gods commands, which is repeated multiple times in scripture, do you really believe?

This is a good question, but is used for many to judge the faith in the heart of someone, or to intimidate someone to prove their faith to others , because they do not see in their hearts, and the demand proof. 

JESUS does not need proof he can see  the faith in the heart. 

That's why Paul says; 

With the heart man believes and is justified, give it a thought. 

Jesus accepts the faith of secret Believers, and without the Baptism. 

To believe and be baptized can be seen follow in the new faith and do not go back or mix up both the old and the knew. 

Can also give notice to the followers of the old faith, do not invite me anymore in your selabrations, I belong to Christian faith now. I follow the new. 

But that can happen without the Baptism. 

[Your closest friendnt]

20 minutes ago, woundeddog said:

Baptism is symbolic, and is not needed to be saved-- but out of obedience and thankfulness to Jesus Christ we should be . It is an outward sign of an inward event--- some churches say you have to be baptized to be saved- but that makes it  work, and will actually keep a person out of heaven if they think it will get them in

Thank you for your post. 

It is sad to see people saying that if you believe and are not baptized you are going to Hell, and after they same people say , even if you believe and are baptized but you are not fasting , you still go to Hell and so on.

JESUS saved us and he call us to freedom, and not from one bondenz to another. 

But let us put are freedom in him to a good propose, snd not to judge others who are under his blood. 

[woundeddog]

14 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

JESUS does not need proof he can see  the faith in the heart. 

That's why Paul says; 

With the heart man believes and is justified, give it a thought. 

Jesus accepts the faith of secret Believers, and without the Baptism. 

you are totally missing the point here--- its not to show Jesus you are saved-- t is a ministry to friends family co-workers AND enemies-- Baptism shows others Jesus is real-- its a witnessing tool